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Hi guys

My parents have been having a little bit of problems with their old computer and they felt it was time for an upgrade.

I think they felt a little bit worried about the state of volatility the system is currently in. They informed me that they feel an OEM system from bestbuy or FS is probably not the best option since the majority of the price is just markup.

Turning to me, they are entrusting me to build them a system that will do what they ask of it, web browsing, msn, itunes, and some light photo viewing (not editing).

They already have an OS (Windows XP Home) 1 Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200.10 Harddrive, and a lower end AGP card (ATi 2900XT I beleive it is).

Their old system was an HP OEM machine; cheap motherboard, probably a cheap pentium chip (Socket 775) and 2 gigabytes of PC3200 Ram.

So that all goes out the window.

The budget for the build is ~1000 CAD.

I will try to build a machine that will be futureproof, and at the same time handle anything they throw at it, with ease. They are the type that never open their pc and use the same technology for 3-4 years if not longer.

I'm not sure that they need a video card (even a lower end PCI-e one?), so I think I will use integrated video and sound --- however if you feel they would benefit from a lower end pci-e card let me know.

All of their old optical drives and 1 hard drive is PATA so I'm hoping to upgrade them to SATA

I was thinking, for the main components:

CPU:

I was leaning towards lower end, 45nm dual core, but if I can, for futureproofing I may get them an e8400 or Q8200...

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Dual-Core Processor - Price: 149.00
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3 GHz Dual Core Processor (1333 MHz ) Socket 775 (6 MB L2 Cache) - Price: 198.95
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q8200 2.33 GHz Quad Core Processor (1333 MHz 45NM) Socket 775 (4MB L2 Cache) - Price: 199.95


RAM:

OCZ 2VU10664GK 4GB DDR2-1066 - Price: 63.99

Motherboard:

Asus P5Q LGA775 Intel P45 ATX Motherboard - Price: 127.95

Case:

CoolerMaster Centurion 590 Black ATX Mid Tower Case No Power Supply - Price: 84.95

Power Supply:

COOLERMASTER RP-500-PCAR EXTREME POWER 500W Power Supply - Price: 49.95

Optical Drive:

LG GH22NS30 Black 22X SATA DVD Writer OEM - Price: 31.95


Grand Total with e7400: 507.79 + 13% Sales Tax = 573.80 CAD
Grand Total with e8400: 557.74 + 13% Sales Tax = 630.24 CAD
Grand Total with Q8200: 558.74 + 13% Sales Tax = 631.37 CAD

I realise some of this may be overkill, but I'm aiming for futureproofing in a way since they really don't upgrade too often.

I left out video card because I felt integrated should do the trick... unless someone can convince me otherwise

If I forgot anything let me know.

Rep+ for all help/any suggestions. Just for the record, I'm buying all of my parts here, at www.pcvonline.com (they're just around the corner )

Jam3s
Edited by jam3s - 6/7/09 at 9:08am
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Get the Quad Core and upgrade to OS to vista. Get the x64 edition to fully use 4GB of Ram. The quad core future proofs your rig. Maybe upgrade the video card just a little bit. You said up to 1000CAD so i would aim for a Radeon HD 4850. 139.99 USD or 156.670 CAD. It adds a bit of oomph if they ever do video editing or do other things It stil falls within your Alloted budget so yur fine.
    
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Considering where your buying from I say your right on with your build,personally I'd go for the Q82.And maybe get the Sapphire 4650 $79 for graphics.
Edited by reezin14 - 6/7/09 at 8:51am
 
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Are you sure the onboard video will handle Vista? It should, but might struggle a bit. But if it does, then as you said you can just get a lowend PCIe one. For £30 you could pick up a 9400GT, if you aren't gaming it's a fine card. Watch out when buying PCIe graphics cards though, some require auxillary power (6-Pin) from the PSU. That's one mistake I made when upgrading and was forced to spend another £50 on a new PSU to fit my GTS 250.

EDIT: Brilliant choice of a motherboard, P5Q like me!
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Originally Posted by [Teh Root] View Post
Get the Quad Core and upgrade to OS to vista. Get the x64 edition to fully use 4GB of Ram. The quad core future proofs your rig. Maybe upgrade the video card just a little bit. You said up to 1000CAD so i would aim for a Radeon HD 4850. 139.99 USD or 156.670 CAD. It adds a bit of oomph if they ever do video editing or do other things It stil falls within your Alloted budget so yur fine.
Thanks for that.

I will probably stick to Windows XP to save costs, but I will consult my parents to see if they're into getting Windows Vista.

I might also add a video card since you're right, I am well under budget

Quote:
Originally Posted by reezin14 View Post
Considering where your buying from I say your right on with your build,personally I'd go for the Q82.
Yeah I was leaning towards the Q8200 since it's the same price as the E8400.

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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
Are you sure the onboard video will handle Vista? It should, but might struggle a bit. But if it does, then as you said you can just get a lowend PCIe one. For £30 you could pick up a 9400GT, if you aren't gaming it's a fine card. Watch out when buying PCIe graphics cards though, some require auxillary power (6-Pin) from the PSU. That's one mistake I made when upgrading and was forced to spend another £50 on a new PSU to fit my GTS 250.

EDIT: Brilliant choice of a motherboard, P5Q like me!
Thanks for the suggestion. If I do go the Vista route, I'm getting a video card for sure. They do light game at best -- think: Flash Video / Yahoo Games / Solitaire lol.

But I will definitely get them a cheap pci-e card, hopefully 8800 Series and up, or HD3870 or higher.. depending on the price

I have no doubts that a 500W could run all of that.. since it will all be stock clocked.

I beleive the next best price for a PSU is another $50 CAD for a 500W so I think the Cooler Master PSU should do the trick.

The reason I chose the P5Q was for the Stable P45 Chipset and the ICH10 Southbridge

Rep+ for all the help guys.
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No problem. Glad to help

Are your prices in $? If they are in £ then the ram is a tad expensive!

I personally am waiting for Windows 7 to be released. It will be better than Vista but almost as fast as XP. You might want to consider it too. For the moment, I would go for XP - It's cheaper and faster and if you are wanting it to be futureproof then why a few hundred dollars just to spend a few hundred more in a year or so when 7 is fully out?

You can currently use the 7 beta or trial or whatever it is for free too - it's fully functional.

EDIT: Remember not to buy a cheap PSU because of your budget. You're better off getting a branded 450W than an unbranded 500W. The PSU is the one part of the system you don't want to get cheap.
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No problem. Glad to help

Are your prices in $? If they are in £ then the ram is a tad expensive!

I personally am waiting for Windows 7 to be released. It will be better than Vista but almost as fast as XP. You might want to consider it too. For the moment, I would go for XP - It's cheaper and faster and if you are wanting it to be futureproof then why a few hundred dollars just to spend a few hundred more in a year or so when 7 is fully out?

You can currently use the 7 beta or trial or whatever it is for free too - it's fully functional.
Thanks for the suggestion on the Win 7.

I will load up Win XP for now and see how they fare.

Also, I know this question is slightly off topic, but if you were charging labour and a fee to build a clients' system, how much should I charge them?

Should it be a flat rate, or an hourly rate?

I was thinking something simple like charging them 30% of the cost for labour/building. Of course i'd do it for free but I mean, if they wanna pay, I won't complain

EDIT: Do you think the Cooler Master PSU is a cheap PSU? AFAIK CM is pretty reputable..

EDIT: The Asus 9800GT 512MB is 132.95 added to the cost.

So with the 9800GT, and Q8200, final build cost will be: 691.95 + 13% Tax = $781.86 CAD
Edited by jam3s - 6/7/09 at 9:08am
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You need to check what video card they have. If they have a 2900XT, then you would have a video card you can reuse. You said it was AGP though, and I don't know of an AGP version of the 2900XT. My guess would be an AGP 2600XT which means you would need a new video card.
    
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You need to check what video card they have. If they have a 2900XT, then you would have a video card you can reuse. You said it was AGP though, and I don't know of an AGP version of the 2900XT. My guess would be an AGP 2600XT which means you would need a new video card.
yeah sorry it is the 2600XT.

I'm pretty clueless when it comes to ATi.

I will probably get them the 9800GT (PCi-e) unless you guys think I should get a lower end card like a 4770 or something cheaper in terms of ATi.

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When i build computers, i usually get back about 25% of the money, however, i would only ask for at max, 10%


4770 is not a lower end card! If you overclock it, it competes with the 4850

However, considering that a 4850 is only 10 bucks more expensive, (at ncix) i would get this. http://ncix.com/products/index.php?s...anufacture=XFX. It also has a lifetime warenty

I would also get one of asus's or gigabyte's lowerend boards. Such being the ep45-ud3p (we recomend this to everyone who wants a good cheap board.) Other people probly have suggestions too
Edited by sailerboy - 6/7/09 at 9:16am
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