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post #13591 of 28613
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Quote:
Originally Posted by H969 View Post
Anyone looking at custom water cooling? For about the price of an H70?
They have a full kit over at Frozen CPU for 130 bucks, Looks Cool! pun intended
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11...tem.html#blank
I'm looking at too, and I'm banging my head against the wall trying to figure out how to fit 2 HHDs, a DVD drive, and a card reader, and the 2 bay res/pump combo in this case with a 240 rad. I might be going back to my Sniper guys
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post #13592 of 28613
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Originally Posted by H969 View Post
Anyone looking at custom water cooling? For about the price of an H70?
They have a full kit over at Frozen CPU for 130 bucks, Looks Cool! pun intended
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11...tem.html#blank
Dude, that kit is so wrong in so many ways!! Nothing personal but getting this is one of the worst moves you can make in water cooling. The biggest concern is that the pump is inside the res & it's a sealed unit.

So, while just about everyone will tell you, the pump can last 5-10 years under nomal use. As I can tell you, mine died around 4 months! The other problem is a very old debate. If you add a bunch of fans to your case, are you making things cooler because of mutiple fans instead of one big one.... Or, are you making it warmer because you have like 4 fan motors instead of one.

In water cooling you try to remove the heat by transferring it into a liquid medium. The tests have been exhaustive to show that water is the best medium, even with additives that are supposed to make it slicker or shed heat faster, the end result is.... Distilled water cools the best. So, if you submerge that pump in the reservoir, not only can you not replace it but will it just add more heat to the loop making it one more thermal barrier in the way of dumping off heat with the use of water??

In the case of the CMS Scout, you have little room to maneuver around in, just ask any of us that have done a custom loop in a Scout, so can you obtain an advantage by putting in this pump in res system? You just run into the same wall again: Is a double thick 120 rad as good as a 240 rad?

Which always brings me to what I call "The Rockr69 Equation". What do you get the most bang for your buck with? In this case I don't think the tradeoff of the inconvienence of the pump in res in bay system is worth the extra money that would be over what you spend for a similar CLLC system, be it the H50, H70 or Eco. In almost all cases in a single proc setup, the CLLC's deliver the best cooling performance for the money you spend on them.

Then there's always the purist in me that says, it's not a custom loop if you buy it in a kit!!

@ photonmoo!!
Any time you want help in saving energy I'll lend you my info! There's so many things coming out now! The new LED lights are terrific performers with a very low power requirement. Only problem is the price is really high. You really have to be carefull with these things too because there is not standard set that says the rating is this one way & you have to stick to it. So, when you buy the LED bulb & it says it lasts 30 years, reading the fine print will tell you that's at 3 hours per day, 5 days a week. CFL's have a similar rating, something like 20 year lifetime, but it's rated at 4 hours per day with no on / off cycles during those hours!

As for your SSD's, have you checked the rating on your controller or perhaps the guidelines for setting them up. As in, no hybernate file, no swap file, no system restore files, no temp folder..... All that?? Maybe even the program you're testing with?

@ Striker:
Ok, how did you do a countersink on the window? Larger bit with the drill press? Speaking of Drill presses. Here's what we called a "Poor mans drill press" in the army:
Oh, on the Bullet Resitance of Lexan. I think that really is one of those... It depends things. Don't forget what I walk around on every day, it's been hit by a diamond wheel on the the Dremel, the pointy end of a pic, a falling sheet of glass, a razor sharp piece of shattered tile!! Hardest plastic made: Nano Plastic http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...-lightest.html

Here's a bunch of data on plastic: http://www.professionalplastics.com/...pedic-Plastics

@ Rockr:
Very nice!! I like the way that looks but can it Pray Games??? As for old, I got something that will make us feel old, now I just need a camera to take a pic of it!
Edited by BriSleep - 10/7/10 at 2:49am
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Thank you GI. I'm using a four year old Vivtar 5100 point and shoot Digi Camera. The GPU temp right now with an ambient room temp of 20c is 32c. CPU is at 28c. Temps are good, temps...are good.
You take great pics, I am going to have to to some reading on cameras.
Awesome temps, you've got a good card!
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I'm looking at too, and I'm banging my head against the wall trying to figure out how to fit 2 HHDs, a DVD drive, and a card reader, and the 2 bay res/pump combo in this case with a 240 rad. I might be going back to my Sniper guys
LOL, you trying to fit 10lbs of crap in a 5lbs bag
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@ Striker:
Ok, how did you do a countersink on the window? Larger bit with the drill press? Speaking of Drill presses. Here's what we called a "Poor mans drill press" in the army: Amazon.com: drill angle guide

Oh, on the Bullet Resitance of Lexan. I think that really is one of those... It depends things. Don't forget what I walk around on every day, it's been hit by a diamond wheel on the the Dremel, the pointy end of a pic, a falling sheet of glass, a razor sharp piece of shattered tile!! Hardest plastic made: Nano Plastic http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...-lightest.html

Here's a bunch of data on plastic: http://www.professionalplastics.com/...pedic-Plastics
i used one of these in the press

(i have a set of them at various angles. as that image is a bit steeper than the one i used but its the same type of tool)

i know that lexan isint bulletproof per say but when it gets 2 or 3 inches think it WILL stop a bullet. it really comes down to how dense and how thick the plastic is
Edited by Striker36 - 10/7/10 at 5:14am
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Dude, that kit is so wrong in so many ways!! Nothing personal but getting this is one of the worst moves you can make in water cooling. The biggest concern is that the pump is inside the res & it's a sealed unit.

So, while just about everyone will tell you, the pump can last 5-10 years under nomal use. As I can tell you, mine died around 4 months! The other problem is a very old debate. If you add a bunch of fans to your case, are you making things cooler because of mutiple fans instead of one big one.... Or, are you making it warmer because you have like 4 fan motors instead of one.

In water cooling you try to remove the heat by transferring it into a liquid medium. The tests have been exhaustive to show that water is the best medium, even with additives that are supposed to make it slicker or shed heat faster, the end result is.... Distilled water cools the best. So, if you submerge that pump in the reservoir, not only can you not replace it but will it just add more heat to the loop making it one more thermal barrier in the way of dumping off heat with the use of water??

In the case of the CMS Scout, you have little room to maneuver around in, just ask any of us that have done a custom loop in a Scout, so can you obtain an advantage by putting in this pump in res system? You just run into the same wall again: Is a double thick 120 rad as good as a 240 rad?

Which always brings me to what I call "The Rockr69 Equation". What do you get the most bang for your buck with? In this case I don't think the tradeoff of the inconvienence of the pump in res in bay system is worth the extra money that would be over what you spend for a similar CLLC system, be it the H50, H70 or Eco. In almost all cases in a single proc setup, the CLLC's deliver the best cooling performance for the money you spend on them.

Then there's always the purist in me that says, it's not a custom loop if you buy it in a kit!!

@ photonmoo!!
Any time you want help in saving energy I'll lend you my info! There's so many things coming out now! The new LED lights are terrific performers with a very low power requirement. Only problem is the price is really high. You really have to be carefull with these things too because there is not standard set that says the rating is this one way & you have to stick to it. So, when you buy the LED bulb & it says it lasts 30 years, reading the fine print will tell you that's at 3 hours per day, 5 days a week. CFL's have a similar rating, something like 20 year lifetime, but it's rated at 4 hours per day with no on / off cycles during those hours!

As for your SSD's, have you checked the rating on your controller or perhaps the guidelines for setting them up. As in, no hybernate file, no swap file, no system restore files, no temp folder..... All that?? Maybe even the program you're testing with?

@ Striker:
Ok, how did you do a countersink on the window? Larger bit with the drill press? Speaking of Drill presses. Here's what we called a "Poor mans drill press" in the army: Amazon.com: drill angle guide

Oh, on the Bullet Resitance of Lexan. I think that really is one of those... It depends things. Don't forget what I walk around on every day, it's been hit by a diamond wheel on the the Dremel, the pointy end of a pic, a falling sheet of glass, a razor sharp piece of shattered tile!! Hardest plastic made: Nano Plastic http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...-lightest.html

Here's a bunch of data on plastic: http://www.professionalplastics.com/...pedic-Plastics

@ Rockr:
Very nice!! I like the way that looks but can it Pray Games??? As for old, I got something that will make us feel old, now I just need a camera to take a pic of it!
hmm....okay
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hmm....okay
How about this: That setup stinks, you can get much better for the same price, go to the w/c board, show them that setup & they'll tell you how to do it. I would but I've been pretty busy.

Edit: I tend to get really wordy. I was an engineer in the Army, I can tell you how to make a handicap ramp with 4 drawings & 600 words, then you take it & throw the pieces together in 30 minutes!

Rockr usally can sum up what I'm trying to say in a small sentence!
Edited by BriSleep - 10/7/10 at 11:47am
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You do have a good point about the pump/res, I read a couple threads in the WC section and everyone is saying it is a good starter kit, and yes you can do better but not for the price. One guy said it out performed his H50 by 20C but he also has another rad and he's cooling his GPU, a 470 I think. But I did pull the trigger before reading your post, so hopefully I will be happy with it and will report temps and sound levels compared to my setup. But this means I will be moving my guts back in to my Sniper and my Scout will be my HTPC/server. This is not a bad thing, I will be able to show it off a little more with it sitting next to my TV.
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update on my scout woop!

moved the 8 pin for cable management
moved the 24 pin for cable management
got my HDD cover/fake floor from Rocker69 (gonna add some rubber to the fake floor to cover the caps i have)
added my CCFL's
few other bits

using my phone camera (it sucks)







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How about this: That setup stinks, you can get much better for the same price, go to the w/c board, show them that setup & they'll tell you how to do it. I would but I've been pretty busy.

Edit: I tend to get really wordy. I was an engineer in the Army, I can tell you how to make a handicap ramp with 4 drawings & 600 words, then you take it & throw the pieces together in 30 minutes!

Rockr usally can sum up what I'm trying to say in a small sentence!
ROFL,
I did not object on anything that you said! I was acknowledging your post, You just gave a lot of information that made alto of sense to me... so I was like Hmm, lots to think about,This guy sounds like he knows what he is talking about!,
What seems like a great deal could just be a pig in the poke.
So I kindly thank you for your advice, as I can see from your second post, that you truly believe that it is a piece of crap!
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