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Nice Car txtmstrjoe..

    
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To be Honest.. I was taking CFM into consideration when I gave him that Fan as a suggestion. I did not take the Bearings in consideration at all. I feel so Stupid.

    
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Originally Posted by mr-Charles View Post
question = doesn't this get diabled in the bios when you are using an " SSD " for your initial HHD ? ? ? IF so, then,
this would mean the E-SATA port is "non-functional " ? ? ? This i ask because I have just installed my first SSD
for my OS drive . . . . just confused/concerned for this, for i know it IS disabled in my BIOS......
choice's to set = IDE / RAID / ACHI > > > > is set at IDE & setup and installed Win7 Ultimate (64).

Please, suggestions/comments/ or even helpful information pertaining for, IF i have done something wrong /am in
need to change _for the install and all . . . . thnx


mr-Charles . . .

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First, that's normal for a bios to default to IDE. That allows the most compatibility. You can easily run an SSD in AHCI mode, and in fact that is the preferred method.

The esata port won't be disabled, but it won't allow hot swapping which pretty much renders it fairly useless. You would need to plug in a drive, or unplug it while the system is shut off.

You can't just switch to AHCI after a system has been installed as Windows won't recognize it properly. You have to manually force install the AHCI driver to switch to AHCI mode, and that isn't always as easy as it seems. I know how to do it with an Intel or jMicron controller, but not on an AMD or nVidia controller. Two Cables posted this in the EP45-UD3 thread and I don't know how well it will work with your mobo, but it's worth a try.

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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
If you change this setting, then you'll need to start by changing the Registry first.

AHCI mode might allow the hard drives to work a little bit faster too, especially with multi-tasking.


So here's the Registry key to change if you decide to do this:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\System\\CurrentControlSet\\Ser vices\\msahci

In this key, change value of the entry named "Start" from 3 to 0 (double-click the entry named Start).

After this, go into the BIOS and change it to "AHCI". But also enable "SATA Port0-3 Native Mode" in the BIOS as well. It is actually the preferred setting for Windows XP, Vista and 7.

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First off..... What is this? Did everyone get Friday afternoon off? Oh, ok, you guys in the east are 3 hours ahead. Rockr, did you get the afternoon off?

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Unless I am mistaken, the front panel port is an esata port that plugs into a SATA port on the motherboard. As long as you have AHCI enabled in the bios you can hot swap plug in either a regular SATA drive or an ESata drive, but you would need to use an ESata cable to do so and a regular SATA drive would need a power source.
You said it Brother!!

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Originally Posted by Rockr69 View Post
By looking at the problem using physics, I son't see why a sleeve bearing in a vertical axis would wear at all except at the retention clip if used as an exhaust.
There would be no weight bearing down on the sleeve by the shaft to wear against.

To me a fan is a fan and like everything else mechanical in nature they are prone to fail whenever they damn well feel like.
Again, you said it Brother! Said it well too!

The whole point of a sleeve bearing in a fan is it's inexpensive. There's more than just riding on metal to metal, plastic to plastic, or lubrication....If there is lubrication. They're inexpensive, buy 3 so you have replacements!

BTW, if you look at my sig line, I have 4, soon to be 6, Zalman fans for sale.

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Originally Posted by Striker36 View Post
again with Rocker being a word smith
You said it little Brother!

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Originally Posted by Shiggins View Post
I think it's more a lubrication issue. When the sleeve is in a horizontal position the lubricant can easily cover the entire shaft (even if it pooled in the bottom the shaft would all be lubricated as it spun through). When the shaft is vertical, the lubricant might settle towards the bottom and not coat the whole shaft no matter how hard it spins. This would lead to metal on metal contact wearing the bearing and making noise.

That being said most sleeve bearing are made out of a self-lubricating metal such as brass so the effects aren't immediate. That's why you can have a sleeve bearing in the vertical position and not have the fan instantly seize up. Also, I am not taking into effect capillary action where if the gap between the shaft and bearing is low enough the lubricant can pull itself up.

I dunno, it always seems like lubricating vertical axes is a bit hard and we usually switch to ball-bearings for the verticals at school.

But yeah, mechanical things do fail whenever they damn well please .
You're starting to answer things the way I do! LOL! You left out the part that since it's a fan, if it's oriented the right way there could also be a little cushion of air that helps keep it from wearing out. I'm one of the first people to jump up & attest to things wearing out......

"Don't worry, your pump will last 5 to 10 years, they never fail in short periods of time. They have ceramic bearings in them, they're fantastic, plus when they're on there's a kind of magnetic levitation in the works too."
Uh huh, that's why my system locked up at 100c and I burned the side of my hand on the cpu fitting when I was checking for loose wires. My pump was just over 90 days, which I've always heard is the prime point for failure if it's electronically controlled.

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Originally Posted by ydna666 View Post
Nope, I'm using AHCI with my SSD as a boot drive. My other drives are fine and my eSata works too with an external HD case. SSD's work in IDE mode too, but hot swapping in eSATA will not work in IDE mode.
Yep, mine's in AHCI too. In fact, I had it set for RAID 0 for about 20 days when I seperated them. I just moved to to the other onboard controller so it couldn't see the second SSD. In fact, it still doesn't show in some programs, but it's there in Win7!

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...thnx for that quick reply back, ydna666; so, does this mean for me to change to ACHI, I would half to
reset for in the BIOS and do a complete re-install ? ? ? OR, just change in the BIOS and all will reset itself???


mr-Charles . . .

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Just change it, it won't affect it.

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I know Right??? The man needs to start WRITING. He writes better than I do...
He writes more "consise" then you and I do. A gift to him and our readers but it might put us out of business Boss. I told Chris it was a combination of Engineering school & PLDC that ruined me, before that I could say things in a sentence. You know how it is now! LOL!!

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Originally Posted by mongoloid View Post
I am almost certain that rifle bearings were the ones to avoid mounting along a horizontal plane...or are sleeve and rifle bearings the same beast?
Ok, trying to follow Rockrs act I want to say: Sleeve bearing, make a ring with your thumb & forefinger & put a finger from your other hand in it. Rifle bearing, now put a lubricated gear shaped disc around the finger you inserted.

Engineering again, it's not that easy. Sleeve bearing, aka, one type of plain bearing: http://e-drexler.com/p/04/03/0323bearingDesigns.html
The Military uses Drexler, well, they did when me & Enigma were in, that's where I went first. I love atomic models!
Hee hee: Atomic Model - She looks fantastic, just don't be around when she goes off!
Look at the Wiki for plain bearing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearing_(mechanical)

Rifle bearing, sure its the same, with a twist. As I've said before, sometimes the best answers are on our forums: http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...ml#post9820550
This type is getting harder to find as there isn't much gain for the cost increase.
On of the best I've seen in long time is CM's Excalibur, not long term tests yet but I'd like to see how long they last, scroll down to the drawing: http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6634

Here's more on bearings: http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-...ing-ball-types






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Originally Posted by Enigma8750 View Post
Come on Charlie.. You're good with the SSD. They are not as delicate as people make them out to be. And the new BIO's updates will take into concideration the new hardware.





Question to the Scouts?

Can the computer tell when there is a SSD and not a Mechanical HDD in the Build?

My wife just told my dog to eat his food. There are starving Dogs in China.

Well, it depends! Does the system know it's mechanical or SS? SS being solid state. Not really, it's a segmented memory block, the hardware can't tell the difference. Yet.

Does it handle it differently? Not if you set it up right, it's the software that knows the difference & treats it differently by using the TRIM command or not defragging. BTW, if you haven't set it to NOT defrag, Win7 has probably been defragging your SSD once a week. In hardware, if you set your PCI above 100%, your HDD may run a bit faster, probably up to 105%, above that it may fry the controller. On an SSD, set it above 100% and it probably wont even be recognized.

Then again, with the new EFI bios, a GUI bios, things will change a whole lot! It may be able to tell when you have an SSD and to set it up without all the junk on it..... if they program the bios right.

Edit before post: Just read what PapaSmurf put up & yeah, forgot that part, if you don't turn AHCI on before installing Windows, then it probably won't turn on, but if you did it first, you can go back & forth in the bios, usually with no problem (there's always exceptions), one thing though, in Device Manager it will always say it's an AHCI controlled computer, even if it's turned off. Also what he said about the intel & jmicron controllers is true for me too, but I have "The Book" if you AMD guys want me to check it??
Edited by BriSleep - 10/8/10 at 4:50pm
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First off..... What is this? Did everyone get Friday afternoon off? Oh, ok, you guys in the east are 3 hours ahead. Rockr, did you get the afternoon off?
No, I did not get the afternoon off. My wife has MS and seizure disorder and we had a petty maul seizure this morning. As she was coming out of it she told me, for the first time, she had a doctor's appointment this morning. Well the short of it is she couldn't drive herself so I called in to take her. It was a crappy dull gray day anyway and I sure wasn't looking forward to repairing that sh**** skidsteer loader in the cold.
    
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No, I did not get the afternoon off. My wife has MS and seizure disorder and we had a petty maul seizure this morning. As she was coming out of it she told me, for the first time, she had a doctor's appointment this morning. Well the short of it is she couldn't drive herself so I called in to take her. It was a crappy dull gray day anyway and I sure wasn't looking forward to repairing that sh**** skidsteer loader in the cold.
Oh man! I keep forgetting that about her! Gotta put it in my phone, it's like my second brain now.

Yeah, it's been real crappy weather here too, like 5 days of rain! It was one thing always wondering how high the river was but it's another walking across wet clay. I grew an inch in just 2 hours! Got the roses from the trailer though, just gotta dig some huge holes now. I was up all night sick, figured out the DVR though & added a 1TB WD drive to it, set up every show I could remember after 24 hours of no sleep! Didn't put in Bones though, just can't seem to like that show. Real bummed that I can't record the baseball channels!

Oh, Mindy is still sick with the Shingles!!! Doc said it may be another month or two, Marsha, who got it at the same time, also diabetic, ended up in the hospital for 4 days.
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Unless I am mistaken, the front panel port is an esata port that plugs into a SATA port on the motherboard. As long as you have AHCI enabled in the bios you can hot swap plug in either a regular SATA drive or an ESata drive, but you would need to use an ESata cable to do so and a regular SATA drive would need a power source.
Hmm, I plugged in the SATA cable that is part of the Scout cable set into a spare SATA port on my MB. When I plugged in the external drive and powered it up it was not detected. Wonder what's wrong.
     
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Do you have AHCI enabled in the bios?
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You have to re-boot when you plug in an e-Sata device. It's not the hot plug that has a problem but Windows, it has to "load a driver" even though it's already there. Annoying but at least you can hot un-plug it, just power the drive down first so anything in the cache writes.
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Did some stuff... some random pics as well

Inside:



PSU



LED's



Toolbox



The naked TX3 before cleaning



My top fan before cleaning!



The hard drive i got for free



Scout without its front panel



I managed to break a SATA cable



After frantically running to the store, I got some SATA cables. stayed a while and pulled apart a few dead hard drives for the magnets and some new drink coasters



My HL2 poster



Before:



After:



Those bloody PCI-E cables finally got out of the way
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