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post #17671 of 28613
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
Before you replace the side panel try it with the fans removed but the fan holes open then blocked to compare that. It's quite possible that you'll get better temps with the fans out, but the fan holes open. That's normally been my findings with most cases since instead of forcing air through them you are just allowing it to flow as needed in response to the rest of the airflow.
Oh believe me, I plan to do just that, before spending money to replace the Plexi...

It would be, much easier to simply unplug the fans, remove them, and retest again to see what happens... I'll probably take the fans out this weekend and see how it goes.

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This is what is going on.
And yes, I suspected that was likely what was happening... I also had a feeling that the R4's on my Sidepanel were severely overpowering the weak airflow from the stock front fan, which I'm planning to replace with something else in the next month or so.
     
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^This. Stability isn't just an e-peen thing (well I guess it can be...) but it's more about making sure your system isn't gonna crap out on you. I know for certain that when I had an unstable overclock (would BSOD prime at about 2hrs 45mins), I'd often get boot errors until I found a stable voltage. Those are long gone now.

You asked us if your overclock was good, and we told you it wasn't and that you need more stability testing.
I corrupted my OS because I used to think that way too. I know about the CPU speed first hand, with this build I found I was trying to get my voltages down as far as I could, passed 14hrs of prime, but found if I bumped my voltages up 2 ticks it was about 6 GFlops faster in IBT. Then then backed that up with Super Pi, 3D Marks, and other benchmarks. This was back when I was running at 3.8GHz, and my CPU was out running most 750's running at 4.0+GHz.
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Oh believe me, I plan to do just that, before spending money to replace the Plexi...

It would be, much easier to simply unplug the fans, remove them, and retest again to see what happens... I'll probably take the fans out this weekend and see how it goes.



And yes, I suspected that was likely what was happening... I also had a feeling that the R4's on my Sidepanel were severely overpowering the weak airflow from the stock front fan, which I'm planning to replace with something else in the next month or so.
Maybe a extra R4 you now have laying around
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Running 12 hours of Prime and all of the other stability tests is nothing but a waste of time. As soon as the ambient room temps go up by even 1C your previous results are now invalid as the test parameters have changed. Same thing happens if you update Windows, install or un-install any program, update your AntiVirus, dust builds up in the case, your update drivers, etc. All of these things change the test parameters invalidating any and all previous test results. What that means is that you would essentially need to be stress testing for stability 24/7/365 which isn't practical. If it can pass an hour of prime or anything else it's 99% stable and that is as close as you can realistically get. If you don't trust an hour of Prime then run the Folding@Home SMP client for a few days while you are using the system for other things. If it runs that it is as stable as it is ever going to get as that stresses your system in a more realistic way than any synthetic stability test like Prime, OCCT, IBT, or any of that other crap. I've seen more systems run Prime for days at a time and buckle within a few minutes running the F@H SMP client. The only synthetic stress test I rely on is Memtest (and ONLY this one, not any of the other derivatives), and I only run 2 to 4 passes of it. The only reason it is good to use is it isn't tied to your OS or drivers, it's totally self contained. The others are basically useles as they are tied to the OS and Drivers which cause more of the problems than the actual hardware does when you have an error in them.

I know this goes against conventional wisdom, but if you think about it for more than a few minutes with an open mind and more than a third grade intellect you'll see how much sense it makes and the fallacy of running the other stability crap for hours or days on end. It doesn't tell you anything useful. It only gives you bragging rights which mean absolutely nothing.
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Running 12 hours of Prime and all of the other stability tests is nothing but a waste of time. As soon as the ambient room temps go up by even 1C your previous results are now invalid as the test parameters have changed. Same thing happens if you update Windows, install or un-install any program, update your AntiVirus, dust builds up in the case, your update drivers, etc. All of these things change the test parameters invalidating any and all previous test results. What that means is that you would essentially need to be stress testing for stability 24/7/365 which isn't practical. If it can pass an hour of prime or anything else it's 99% stable and that is as close as you can realistically get. If you don't trust an hour of Prime then run the Folding@Home SMP client for a few days while you are using the system for other things. If it runs that it is as stable as it is ever going to get as that stresses your system in a more realistic way than any synthetic stability test like Prime, OCCT, IBT, or any of that other crap. I've seen more systems run Prime for days at a time and buckle within a few minutes running the F@H SMP client. The only synthetic stress test I rely on is Memtest (and ONLY this one, not any of the other derivatives), and I only run 2 to 4 passes of it. The only reason it is good to use is it isn't tied to your OS or drivers, it's totally self contained. The others are basically useles as they are tied to the OS and Drivers which cause more of the problems than the actual hardware does when you have an error in them.

I know this goes against conventional wisdom, but if you think about it for more than a few minutes with an open mind and more than a third grade intellect you'll see how much sense it makes and the fallacy of running the other stability crap for hours or days on end. It doesn't tell you anything useful. It only gives you bragging rights which mean absolutely nothing.
That kinda goes hand in hand with what I was saying with voltages and getting more speed out of the CPU. I know IBT GFlops is not the best way of telling how fast a CPU is, but running .2Ghz slower than others and running faster in what ever benchmark tells me that their CPU isn't stable. If it was clock for clock that is another story. If your OC fails because of 1°C then again, it's not stable. If a update goes wrong because you have an OC'ed CPU, then 99.9% its because its not stable, not that the update caused your OC to be unstable, assuming it wasn't a bad update. You can have those problems with a non OC'ed CPU, its called a bad CPU, because its not stable, lol. But F@H is a good way of testing too. From what I know of F@H others are running the same work unit you are to validate that the work your PC did was error free. The other thing people mess up a lot on is when they are trying to OC or tighten their RAM. Memtest is a good start, but I also use the resource monitor to look at the hard faults.
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Before you replace the side panel try it with the fans removed but the fan holes open then blocked to compare that. It's quite possible that you'll get better temps with the fans out, but the fan holes open. That's normally been my findings with most cases since instead of forcing air through them you are just allowing it to flow as needed in response to the rest of the airflow.
I agree. This is what was happing to my temps on my card. When I had fans in my side-panel ports, the temp were sitting at 57-59c. As soon as I removed the fans, my card temps dropped almost 7-10c. Giving me temps now today at about 48-52. All done on full load...

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No.. That's not Good.. That's bragging..LOL
LOL!!!!!!
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i think overall, you have to know what your stress testing FOR and WHY. If your clocking your system, and just want to see if its stable, then a few min in prime/memtest should do that for you.. all you need to know if if your cooling is going to keep you within tolerances, want to see if your over/under volting is going to BSOD your system when it does some real work, or if your memory will handle an odd BClock setting.

However, I have found stress testing a system for hours valuable for working out some hardware faults.. now, read that again, i said HARDWARE FAULTS

Ive had random BSOD on a prior system, for the life of me couldn't figure it out. Didn't even overclock it.. Prime showed me heat wasn't an issue.. temp probes said everything was ok, and memcheck passed after an hour still, so couldn't have been memory.. well actually it WAS memory.. I got fed up and let it run overnight to "make sure", and sure enough, when I woke up 4 hours into a memcheck, I hit a whole bank of errors.. i thought it was probably just a fluke it took that long.. ran it for an hour.. nothing.. ran it for another hour another day.. nothing.. wanted to see if it would do it overnight again, sure enough 4 hours in.. bam.. errors galore. RMAd the ram, ran the system overnight again.. 100% passed, and never got another BSOD on that system over the next 8 months i owned it.

I also agree with Papasmurf, that if you have a perfectly good running system at stock speeds, and are just OC a step or two, a 30 min prime test is going to be just as good as a 6 hour one.. (i give it 30 min, because that's generally how long it takes to run all 10 cycles of testing types on the CPU). If the system is going to crap out on an OC, it will do it when your CPU spikes to 100% load and starts sucking up power.. and that happens right away when you use programs like prime.

memory same thing.. you over/undervolt your memory too much, or run too high of a ratio on it, memtest is going to start showing errors in a few minutes not hours..

Errors that crop up on an OC'd system randomly like BSOD while playing games and such, generally comes from other aspects of the OC, not because the system wasn't left to stress test over night. For example, I was JUST having problems with BSOD randomly in games.. memtest was fine, prime ran fine, cooling is fine.. everything was fine, I chalked it up to "must be Nvidia's drivers" because it was ONLY in games..

Turns out, after getting fed up and reading more, I just needed up up my IOH voltage to 1.35 from what it was to give my SLI setup a little more juice.. since I did that, everything's smooth and no more BSOD.. I could have run prime for days on end, and that still wouldn't have shown up and my system would have looked "stable"..
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Thanks for all the commentary. I'll keep it in mind.
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Weird! Finally got ATI overdrive autotune to work properly. Must have been one of the updates. Core went from 750 to 800mhz and memory went from 803 to 883mhz. Temps went up a bit, but with the fan 100% it's no biggie. Wonder if I'll notice any improvement. I keep wanting to buy a new vid card but....I don't think that's necessary until I get a better monitor. These 4670s are still troopers.

To cjc75 about the side fan/card temp problems. Maybe take the bottom fan out or turn it into an exhaust?
     
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so i decided on something i dont think you guys will a prove of XD. i have been talking with some friends allot recently about gun (particularly tactical guns) as some of you know i have a few more... i guess we could call them "classic" guns. but im lacking in "git some" gun category so i think im going to build one of these over the next couple months (after getting a new fan controller of coarse) =D


only changing a couple things... like no optics for a while... iron is where its at till you know how the weapon will fire every round imo....





that and i think my scout needs a friend that looks as badass as it is.
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