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post #17741 of 28613
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Originally Posted by Rockr69;12206532 
Well, here she is, my Epiphone Les Paul Nightfall;
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She's so gorgeous, monkey can't quit staring.

Beautifull Rockr!! Just awesome, you really deserve it man! thumb.gif
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well here are some pics of my parts so everyone can ohhh, and awww
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and here are some paint pics of where i am thinking of cutting to see if i can salvage the HD cage. i have to cut about 1/2 inch out of the top 5.25 bay too because of where the #1 slot GPU will go too so this will be fun tomorow...get to use my new dremel.

ohh, dont be hatin on my awesome paint editing skilz
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post #17744 of 28613
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Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer;12206710 
and here are some paint pics of where i am thinking of cutting to see if i can salvage the HD cage. i have to cut about 1/2 inch out of the top 5.25 bay too because of where the #1 slot GPU will go too so this will be fun tomorow...get to use my new dremel.

ohh, dont be hatin on my awesome paint editing skilz
I haven't seen anyone do this before but I bet with a little modding you can remove the HDD cage and do a bit of cutting on the bottom one can shorten the cage reinstal it and have a nice gap between the HDD cage and the 5.25 drive bays leaving a clean gap for a longer gpu.
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post #17745 of 28613
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Originally Posted by BriSleep;12204371 
Yeah, running a tube, duct, to the cpu was a thing for a little while. Dell & HP did it the most, as far as I know, they had an intake on the side or back & plastic ducting direct to the cpu, this let them run lower speed (quieter) fans. The problem with ducting in a small space like a PC is that the ducts can get in the way of the air flow through the case. Just as taking out the side fans can sometimes make the airflow better because there's not air being pushed in from the side, taking out the ducting proved that it was better for the system as a whole for cooling.



Ok, I don't see the dimensions, not sure it would matter, Rockr is better at seeing this kind of thing than I am, but when you pinch the airlfow down like that, sometimes when it's let loose on the other side of the restriction, it messes up the pressure and your Laminar (smooth) flow becomes Turbulent (turbulent) flow littlle eddies appear on the other side of the squeeze. It all depends! tongue.gif

With the idea of having one fan a few inches from another fan, inside a ducted area, you end up with the same kind of problem, the first fan blasts your air into the duct, it usually gets flowing smooth after a short distance (google: Laws of Fluid Dynamics). If they're equal power, fin shape, flow type, they might sync up naturally, the first one regulating the way the second one flows. Most likely though, you're not going to get any boost and probably end up shorting the air burst at least a little. wink.gif

Oh yeah, the one more thing. The whole idea of shrouding came up because of wanting to smooth out the flow.
Ok, this pic is my rad filled with dirty nasty river dust, it's only a good example because you can see the pattern that the fans struts and the center of the fan created, basically they're in the way: P1000193.jpg

When you put a spacer (shroud) between the fan and the rad you help eliminate the spots that you see in the areas where the dust collected less. This shroud, basically a fan case without struts and the fan, is the easiest way & keeps the air moving in the direction it started: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/fetfcxtrash12.html
I picked this one because there's a bunch of pics below it to look at.

If you use a big boxy shroud, you pretty much give the air the room to go where it wants to: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thpeshps1.html

There's all kinds of materials & studies saying one works better than the other & tests skewed both ways, either way, you're better with a shroud than without one.

Here's a single box type: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thpsshforpad.html

Thanks for your insights in this. I am definitely concerned about airflow in my project so I hope my venturi doesn't become counter productive. I've looked up some other references on the design aspect of it already to brush up on it. My animation is for illustration / generalization purposes for this kind of application in general; the proposal is that this general idea should work to increase the airflow through the HSF.

It can become very technical stuff indeed but, like putting your thumb over a water hose shows, even a very crude ventri can sometimes be quite effective.

I get my case tomorrow so hopefully I can start in on this soon. Thankfully I have a couple of chapters of elementary aerodynamics under my belt from a high-school program in "Aviation" which should help; I'm really just planning on slaping a crude and (hopefully) effective design on it to start; taking it from there after in terms of problem solving and tweaking.
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post #17746 of 28613
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Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer;12206697 
well here are some pics of my parts so everyone can ohhh, and awww

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post #17747 of 28613
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Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer;12206710 
and here are some paint pics of where i am thinking of cutting to see if i can salvage the HD cage. i have to cut about 1/2 inch out of the top 5.25 bay too because of where the #1 slot GPU will go too so this will be fun tomorow...get to use my new dremel.

ohh, dont be hatin on my awesome paint editing skilz
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Originally Posted by kev_b;12207767 
I haven't seen anyone do this before but I bet with a little modding you can remove the HDD cage and do a bit of cutting on the bottom one can shorten the cage reinstal it and have a nice gap between the HDD cage and the 5.25 drive bays leaving a clean gap for a longer gpu.

Yeah I think I saw a mod where someone took out the HD bay rivets (is that right -- it's riveted on?) and removed it all together. I've gone to too many sites over the past week to remember which one now. But his reason was for airflow. He also cut a nice hole in the front so there's no grill in the way either.

I was concerned with structural support the cage seems to give. I'm not sure how structural it is from the pics.

I like the idea just for airflow even. But in my view it would be preferable to cut holes out of the HD bay on both sides and fit some pvc tubing through with an elbow at the end directing air to the gpu (or where ever gets the best results for you).
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post #17748 of 28613
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Originally Posted by noncognitive;12208005 
Yeah I think I saw a mod where someone took out the HD bay rivets (is that right -- it's riveted on?) and removed it all together. I've gone to too many sites over the past week to remember which one now. But his reason was for airflow. He also cut a nice hole in the front so there's no grill in the way either.

I was concerned with structural support the cage seems to give. I'm not sure how structural it is from the pics.

I like the idea just for airflow even. But in my view it would be preferable to cut holes out of the HD bay on both sides and fit some pvc tubing through with an elbow at the end directing air to the gpu (or where ever gets the best results for you).
I have nothing to do this week I may try to shorten the drive cage, I know with the drive cage out it's not stable at all but I bet there's a way around that. I think removing 2 slots, from 5 to 3 will fit even the longest cards.
The case you were refering to for better air flow I bet was mine. biggrin.gif
You can always put your HDD's in the 5.25 bays like in the second picture, it'll hold four drives.
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yes absolutely; that's the one! Sweet jesus man!eek.gif

It looks like an ideal mod if you don't need the room for drives -- if it weren't for the structural loss. So I'm glad to know more about that concern now since I'm going to be shipping my rig around a lot.

If I think of a brilliant fix to get that suport back Ill let you know. It def looks great as it is.

For my gtx460 I wouldn't need to remove the bay all together; but at the same time the tests I posted earlier showed this case struggles to get air to the GPU compared to other cases (till the side fan was put in).

I'm still considering routing air through the cage and perhaps employing an elbow and venturi to blast air directly into the GPU intake; I'd rather not add side fans -- just need to get my hands on a dremel
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Originally Posted by noncognitive;12208246 
yes absolutely; that's the one! Sweet jesus man!eek.gif

It looks like an ideal mod if you don't need the room for drives -- if it weren't for the structural loss. So I'm glad to know more about that concern now since I'm going to be shipping my rig around a lot.

If I think of a brilliant fix to get that suport back Ill let you know. It def looks great as it is.

For my gtx460 I wouldn't need to remove the bay all together; but at the same time the tests I posted earlier showed this case struggles to get air to the GPU compared to other cases (till the side fan was put in).

I'm still considering routing air through the cage and perhaps employing an elbow and venturi to blast air directly into the GPU intake; I'd rather not add side fans -- just need to get my hands on a dremel
I have to get a new dremel myself, I abused the hell out of mine and after 3 years it went dead, I ended up buying a cheap one from fryes, $19.00, it lasted me a whole 2 weeks then I got even more stupid and bought another $19.00 one from Harbor Freight, that one lasted me 3 weeks, I guess it goes to prove you get what you pay for. redface.gif
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