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My re-build log shall commence in T-7 days (give or take).
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Would love to see some pictures!
lacking a camera atm, and not much to post pictures of tho xD
i will post some pictures at some point tho...just gotta borrow friend's camera but he is out of town for a bit.

i am glad i decided to do it myself tho, learned a lot...blood, sweat and tears went into the machine lol.
Edited by Masta21 - 4/9/10 at 5:45pm
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lacking a camera atm, and not much to post pictures of tho xD
i will post some pictures at some point tho...just gotta borrow friend's camera but he is out of town for a bit.

i am glad i decided to do it myself tho, learned a lot...blood, sweat and tears went into the machine lol.
I was scared building my own computer at first but don't regret it one bit now. It truly makes them unique as you can say yourself.
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I was scared building my own computer at first but don't regret it one bit now. It truly makes them unique as you can say yourself.
the scariest part for me was setting up the LC...thought my MB was gonna break when i was mounting it ><

but truly a invaluable experience, since now if i have a problem i know i can just take it apart and find the problem myself instead of calling into tech support somewhere
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the scariest part for me was setting up the LC...thought my MB was gonna break when i was mounting it ><

but truly a invaluable experience, since now if i have a problem i know i can just take it apart and find the problem myself instead of calling into tech support somewhere
Don't forget that everyone is going to start asking you to do their tech support.
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I don't think that running an Ati card you need a separate physics card. Ati uses HAVOC based open cl to manage physics and so far from what I've experienced does a pretty good job.
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i think THIS thread might have something for you.

i know its about enabling and not actually answering your question but it might have something *shrug* idk i didn't really read it too far
Ok, most of you may know, I'm struggling with adding Physx to my system or just sticking with ATI. These are the options:

#1. I have a 5870 overclocked to what XFX is now selling as it's XFX XXX 5870. Come on all you have to do is edit the .ini file, Rockr has posted it here before, I found out by folding (BTW, everybody, this house has resigned from folding).

#2. Next just add a 5870, the magical framerate (according to Maximum PC and many others), is right around 62fps this is where you never see video lag. Interesting enough it's the usual refresh rate of most LCD monitors.

So with one 5870 I get around 38-57 fps in Crysis which uses the Havoc engine and is considered the toughest on GPU's, adding a second 5870 is said to give you 60-115+fps. Crysis uses it's own Physics engine, not Physx by Nvidia. This is what Rockr is referring to above, many games now use this engine.

#3. Add a 5870 & get at least a 9800GTS or GTX, better yet a GTX 250 card & do the trick that is mentioned in the link that Striker36 gave me. I've seen variations of it while I was looking for an answer. Mostly what I read is...... No matter the game you get incredible detail and performance with 2, 5870's adding a third is just stupid fast and you probably can't see the difference, I mean, that's 3800 shader cores, frames per second are in the upper 100's to 500's depending on your options and what game. Then when you add a 9800GTX it really cuts back on your frame rate.
Check out this video, I love the music: http://physxinfo.com/news//1556/hybr...arkham-asylum/
Ok, I'm old and I do have cataracts but I've got lenses that correct for halos and vision problems but I don't see much difference between when they're using the ATI's or when the Physx is added, I do see some papers that weren't blown around at first. Do any of you see much difference?

#4. Sit on my hands and my wallet, wait until the end of the year when they'll have sales on all the new Nvidia cards and get 2 top of the line cards then.

Problem with #4. Nvidia themselves point out that with 2 graphics cards when you use one of them for Physx, you loose that ones graphics advantage. So why buy 2 high end cards for SLI when you can put a 480GTX and a 250GTX together and do the same thing?

Problem with all of the above. The websites I've seen all say that game developers got ticked at Nvidia when they bought up Aegia (the original Physx vendor), then again when the pulled the "You can't use ATI and Nvida cards together" driver snafu. So there is actually only 3 new games with Physx, there are 14 old games with Physx. So unless Nvidia and ATI shake hands it's not going to matter if you have Physx or not because game developers aren't going to write for it. In fact they're more likely to use the already developed and highly advanced Havoc engine.

Problem with Physx. My fingers and probably everyone elses don't like typing that word. The only benchmark that you'll actually see the difference in when you have Physx is Futuremarks 3D Mark Vantage and a big part of that score is how well your CPU's FPU's handle and hand off things. Every actual game bench that I've seen takes a cut, sometimes a drastic cut when you dedicate a Physx card, even if you have a Classified mobo, 3 GTX 480's and you add a GTX 285. There's only one place that's had that config to test out and it's Evga, they did it with Batman.

The "oh yeah" even before I edit the post. In that link that Striker36 so kindly provided they set up a dummy plug with resistors. In most of the posts I've seen, you don't have to do that if you have Win7 because you can tell it you have 10 different monitors and it will believe you.
Edited by BriSleep - 4/9/10 at 8:18pm
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Don't forget that everyone is going to start asking you to do their tech support.
uh oh, time to abandon forums o.o
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the scariest part for me was setting up the LC...thought my MB was gonna break when i was mounting it ><

but truly a invaluable experience, since now if i have a problem i know i can just take it apart and find the problem myself instead of calling into tech support somewhere
Yeah, don't you love it when you put a cooler on your processor and the mobo makes a snapping, crunching sound?
Fair warning, if you use a graphics block for W/C, make sure you put the card in with strong screws before you add water to the block, it's been known to bend and sag mobo's to the breaking point.

If you ever need L/C help support, just ask, I've been studying a lonnnnnnggg time. Oh, Photonmoo is really great at it too, just don't use plastic connectors.

@ Enigma8750. Do you have a larger pic of your avatar? I can see that there are some numbers or letters in there but can't make it out.
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Ok, most of you may know, I'm struggling with adding Physx to my system or just sticking with ATI. These are the options:

#1. I have a 5870 overclocked to what XFX is now selling as it's XFX XXX 5870. Come on all you have to do is edit the .ini file, Rockr has posted it here before, I found out by folding (BTW, everybody, this house has resigned from folding).

#2. Next just add a 5870, the magical framerate (according to Maximum PC and many others), is right around 62fps this is where you never see video lag. Interesting enough it's the usual refresh rate of most LCD monitors.

So with one 5870 I get around 38-57 fps in Crysis which uses the Havoc engine and is considered the toughest on GPU's, adding a second 5870 is said to give you 60-115+fps. Crysis uses it's own Physics engine, not Physx by Nvidia. This is what Rockr is referring to above, many games now use this engine.

#3. Add a 5870 & get at least a 9800GTS or GTX, better yet a GTX 250 card & do the trick that is mentioned in the link that Striker36 gave me. I've seen variations of it while I was looking for an answer. Mostly what I read is...... No matter the game you get incredible detail and performance with 2, 5870's adding a third is just stupid fast and you probably can't see the difference, I mean, that's 3800 shader cores, frames per second are in the upper 100's to 500's depending on your options and what game. Then when you add a 9800GTX it really cuts back on your frame rate.
Check out this video, I love the music: http://physxinfo.com/news//1556/hybr...arkham-asylum/
Ok, I'm old and I do have cataracts but I've got lenses that correct for halos and vision problems but I don't see much difference between when they're using the ATI's or when the Physx is added, I do see some papers that weren't blown around at first. Do any of you see much difference?

#4. Sit on my hands and my wallet, wait until the end of the year when they'll have sales on all the new Nvidia cards and get 2 top of the line cards then.

Problem with #4. Nvidia themselves point out that with 2 graphics cards when you use one of them for Physx, you loose that ones graphics advantage. So why buy 2 high end cards for SLI when you can put a 480GTX and a 250GTX together and do the same thing?

Problem with all of the above. The websites I've seen all say that game developers got ticked at Nvidia when they bought up Aegia (the original Physx vendor), then again when the pulled the "You can't use ATI and Nvida cards together" driver snafu. So there is actually only 1 new game with Physx, Batman Arkham Asylum, there are 14 old games with Physx. So unless Nvidia and ATI shake hands it's not going to matter if you have Physx or not because game developers aren't going to write for it. In fact they're more likely to use the already developed and highly advanced Havoc engine.

Problem with Physx. My fingers and probably everyone elses don't like typing that word. The only benchmark that you'll actually see the difference in when you have Physx is Futuremarks 3D Mark Vantage and a big part of that score is how well your CPU's FPU's handle and hand off things. Every actual game bench that I've seen takes a cut, sometimes a drastic cut when you dedicate a Physx card, even if you have a Classified mobo, 3 GTX 480's and you add a GTX 285. There's only one place that's had that config to test out and it's Evga, they did it with Batman.

The "oh yeah" even before I edit the post. In that link that Striker36 so kindly provided they set up a dummy plug with resistors. In most of the posts I've seen, you don't have to do that if you have Win7 because you can tell it you have 10 different monitors and it will believe you.
I'd have to say that you hit everything right on the money Bri. I'm not a particular fan of any one technology. I am a fan of how many shovels full of asphalt I have to sling to earn what I'm buying. That being said I used to be an Intel and Nvidia guy because that's what I understood, but now it seems that while they both are pushing the boundaries of tech advancement to unseen heights they also are charging a premium price to be a part of the revolution.

It takes a lot of asphalt to be able to afford what Intel and Nvidia are offering whereas with AMD and Ati I don't have to work as hard to get the same performance. That to me is the winning advantage. Sure I may never get a stable 4gig OC out of my 550 or I may never break any folding records with my 5770, but for me a 3.8gig OC and 60fps or better while I game with all the eye candy on is well worth the dramatic reduction of asphalt I have to deal with to get it.

AMD, if they continue with their market plan, will keep converting guys like me. My money will be with them until they start thinking that the end user needs them and not the other way around. Something I think Intel and Nvidia have lost sight of. Will I ever upgrade to the most powerfull card on the market? Probably not, but I will be about a year behind as long as I can afford it and to me that's the best market strategy there is.
    
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Happy Friday CMSSC!

I am here with the following completed hardware upgrades:
  • Processor - AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE (125W)
  • Motherboard - GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H 890GX
  • RAM - Mushkin Enhanced Blackline DDR3 1333 (7-7-7-20)



Hurray for upgrades!
Hurray for upgrades!
Hurray for upgrades!




The work took me about 5 hours to complete because I spent a lot of time on cable management...
8-Pin CPU Power:
  • Runs behind the motherboard tray

24-Pin ATX:
  • Runs behind the motherboard tray

CPU Fan Connector:
  • Using a NZXT sleeved extender, I have run the extender behind the motherboard tray as well, along with the H50 connected.

F_Audio - Front Panel Audio Header:
  • Since the port on the motherboard for F_Audio was located near the I/O ports, I ran the cable behind the motherboard tray. The F_Audio cable runs over the top of the motherboard, along the side of the H50's radiator's fans, and into the port. You'd never know it was there.

SATA3_6Gb/s:
  • Loving the way the SATA ports face off to the side. Allows for a very easy management resulting in a clean & tidy look.

Conclusion:
  • Aside the motherboard's obvious wonderful technical specifications & future proofed components, the management the board allows is terrific! I have never owned such a great motherboard. Again, I want to thank the CMSSC for all the great input when I was shopping. I simply LOVE this board!
  • As far as the CPU & RAM are concerned, they are doing everything as expected. Not much hardware management with those components, but I am very satisfied with their performances, so far.
  • I'm happy that I now am using a 2GB sticks of RAM. Prior to this upgrade I was using 4x1GB, but now I have room to move up to 8GB of RAM. Particularly enthusiastic about this because of the amount of RAM I will eventually be able to use for my Virtual Machines.

Here are a few more pictures of the motherboard:







Well, now I am off to my User CP to upgrade my sig rig specifications and links.
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