Phenom II Overclocking Guide - Page 3

The statement will stand, but because I am talking about in an overall sense, rather than at identical clock speeds. I understand that it is not a massive improvement in terms of clock for clock performance, but it IS a massive gain in clock speed.

In other words, a PhII will be much faster than a PhI, but MOST of the extra performance comes from the fact that most of the will have about 500MHz clock speed advantage (stock or OC'ed).

Hopefully that clears things up... and for the record, 9% is still a decent improvement for what is basically a refinement of the same architecture.

Thanks guys!

Thanks for that slappa. I actually noticed your guide a few weeks ago after I had started working on mine. You do good work .

I am fully aware of what electron migration is, but always thought about it more in the terms of causing potential harm over time (you know, causing the CPU to require more and more energy to remain stable and the like). I thought electron migration eventually wore down the transistors, and it seems like no matter how the transistor is made, the effect should be similar (meaning intel vs AMD).

And I definitely understand the fact that there is a diminishing return on the application of more voltage to these processors (especially with higher temps). However, I thought the really high LN2 OC's were with done with crazy vcore (I seem to remember 1.6-1.9v for some reason). So obviously they are requiring more voltage for those OC's, which is what makes me wonder how that fits in with this concept of to much voltage. And it also seems that there are many OCNers with 1.5-1.55v for their high OC's

However, if you could explain those few things for me, that would be great.
Just please keep in mind that I am NOT attacking you, I just would like additional clarification to make sure that I can make the guide useful for the largest group of people that I can.

Would you say that in general that my statement is correct about voltage (particularly on air cooling)? I ask because like I said, I don't proclaim to be a guru, and would like to have the guide be correct. I am more than willing to add a qualifier in there, but the qualifier should be in reference to less common event.

Essentially, if I added something like this to the guide under that part.

*Testing has shown that at times additional voltage may actually have a negative effect on stability (particularly with more extreme cooling). If you have tried everything else listed here, you may actually try LOWERING your vcore, and see if that will help. It is for reasons like this that we recommend increasing voltage in small increments, rather than in large jumps.

Thanks for the input guys, this is great.

So they're able to use higher vcore simply because the temps are low enough? Thats how I read it anyway, which is generally how I've understood it in the past... and yea... I really doubt that I could boot my 720 BE at 1.7v even if I left the window open all night in the winter .

Cool, tomorrow I'll add some more about temps in there, and throw that qualifier in for good measure.

Thanks, and +rep