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Well, there really is no RIGHT opinion regarding the prime thing. Hell, i run a RAID 0 so I cant be that concerned about things blowing up on me - lol.

I guess my point is that there are MANY reasons Prime could crash you after 5 hours BESIDES your overclock being bad. I just can't see how running your CPU full out for hours on end does anything but wear out ur CPU.

But I'm not gonna throw away a sweet, fast, functioning OC just because it crashed after beating it senseless for 7 hours. Of course, you may feel differently and that is fine. Just a matter of taste IMHO.

MY REQUIREMENTS FOR AN OVERCLOCK:
1. Boots Windows.
2. Runs my desktop apps.
3. Plays games full out.
4. Doesn't crash while I am doing 1-3.

For me, anything more than that is overkill.
There are so many things that are wrong with this post.

1. Your RAID0 array is more dependable than an unstable overclock, period. Bad reference.

2. Yep, Prime could crash due to many things, like an unstable IMC. Or your 2200mhz HT Link.

3. Define a "functioning" OC. Lots of OCs boot to Windows and run several low-demand apps without any visible issues, but instantly blow up in your face while attempting to multitask or run large apps or play games.

4. An unstable OC is probably not going to do 50% of your stated requirements. Memory controller errors will be quick to surface via BSOD on random occasions. Hard reboot? How's your RAID0 now? Oops.

It's in your best interest to verify the stability of your OC with testing, take the advice from people on here who have been down those roads before. It's not worth risking data corruption in a month's time (or longer), because it can be alleviated by a good testing plan over the course of a few days -- even less than a few days if you're going conservative. You want an OC, but you don't seem to want any of its benefits, only the potential shortcomings because it looks to you like everything is functioning correctly.
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4ghz run finally
i will stress test it some other time lol
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sub50hz,

Your post is condescending and offensive. There is nothing "wrong" with my post, only things with which you disagree. Are you saying that your opinion is metaphysical certainty and that no other points of view are valid?

You speak as if my OC is somehow unstable and able only to boot windows and run small programs. I'm at a loss as to how you drew that conclusion from my posts? I clearly stated that i had run Passmark several times, run several desktop applications simultaneously and performed hardcore gaming. So far, this OC has been rock solid.

You are obviously a smart guy and I value your opinion even if I disagree with it. Intelligent people can disagree without insulting each other.
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sub50hz,

Your post is condescending and offensive. There is nothing "wrong" with my post, only things with which you disagree. Are you saying that your opinion is metaphysical certainty and that no other points of view are valid?

You speak as if my OC is somehow unstable and able only to boot windows and run small programs. I'm at a loss as to how you drew that conclusion from my posts? I clearly stated that i had run Passmark several times, run several desktop applications simultaneously and performed hardcore gaming. So far, this OC has been rock solid.

You are obviously a smart guy and I value your opinion even if I disagree with it. Intelligent people can disagree without insulting each other.
Passmark the benchmarking utility? I wouldn't count on that being that stressful.

anywho, your voltages seem more or less right, i'm at 1.47V at 3.71 GHz...you may have just found a stable overclock by chance and it sounds like a reasonable overclock/voltage. I've tried 3.8 at 1.52V but crashed after running prime95 for around 3 hours. You may call that stable but I don't.

What i call BS on are people who approach 3.8 without bumping voltage and claiming stability.
 
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Intelligent people can disagree without insulting each other.
I don't believe i insulted you, I merely do not agree with your testing methods, or lack thereof. Prime, LinX and IBT are all free tools that are widely available, and running them can do nothing but help you. My post was not meant to be condescending, but I admit I am rather brash when pointing out shortcomings. I think, again, running these tools is to your advantage.
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Well, there really is no RIGHT opinion regarding the prime thing. Hell, i run a RAID 0 so I cant be that concerned about things blowing up on me - lol.

I guess my point is that there are MANY reasons Prime could crash you after 5 hours BESIDES your overclock being bad. I just can't see how running your CPU full out for hours on end does anything but wear out ur CPU.

But I'm not gonna throw away a sweet, fast, functioning OC just because it crashed after beating it senseless for 7 hours. Of course, you may feel differently and that is fine. Just a matter of taste IMHO.

MY REQUIREMENTS FOR AN OVERCLOCK:
1. Boots Windows.
2. Runs my desktop apps.
3. Plays games full out.
4. Doesn't crash while I am doing 1-3.

For me, anything more than that is overkill.
The thing is, an unstable OC is unstable no matter what, even if it took 72 hours to show in Prime95, there's a chance that said instability can show at any time, every time that your CPU does a clock, there's a chance it will throw the wrong result, usually, if it does it in 8 hours of P95, its going to do it some time when you game.

Keep playing games with that system with an OC that isn't P95 stable for 8 hours, but stable for your games, etc, I reckon in around a year you'll get a hard reboot/instability/data corruption (Can happen from a bad OC), and that's being lenient.

And remember, CPUs and GPUs can resend the data when they give an incorrect result, they sometimes do that so while the OC appears to be stable, you end up with less performance than the fully 100% stable OC.
    
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count me in!!! unlocked to 4 cores stock speeds(for now)
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A PRIME ANALOGY:

Let's imagine that I go out and buy a new Ferrari. The car can supposedly do 170 mph. Ok, so in order to make sure I won't break down 6 months from now going 65, I put it on the treadmill and run it up to 170 for 12 hours straight.

After 5 hours it explodes.

Well, I guess it was never safe to drive it 65 then, huh?

Get the point? Prime is testing your CPU to do something that it will NEVER be required to do in real life, EVER. And if it fails at this UNREALISTIC test, you conclude that your overclock was a failure, even though that overclock would likely have been just fine in real world use.

Why test your CPU at 170 when you'll never take it over 65? They call it a "torture test" for a reason - it is torturing your CPU unnecessarily. Of course, YMMV.

P.S., Took some extraneous hardware out of some PCI slots and ran Passmark again on this 180x21x3.78 setup. Scored 2352. The highest rated 965 I could find scored only 1983. So, somehow, some way, this bugger is blowing away a 965, at least in this benchmark.

As I mentioned before, I tried running this at 200x19 to get to 3.8 and it was totally unstable. For some bizarre reason, this particular CPU REALLY likes 180x21. I have to set this manually every time because my MB won't allow me to go under 200 and if AMD OD tries to load it automatically it crashes (I am guessing because it tries to load the 21 multiplier before reducing the HT REF).
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Completely off topic guys.

I just bought a pair of 5.1 surround sound headphones. They rock - really sounds just like a surround sound system.
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No, a better analogy would be this:

say you have an engine. You decide to throw an aftermarket turbo (the overclock). Now you have a lot more horsepower, but it's not tuned. It seems to run.

You could probably get away with it driving it around town and not pushing it, but it's more than likely running either lean or rich..most likely lean, which would cause problems with other parts of the car like the catalytic converter and what not. The moment you actually try to accelerate, you detonate the engine (or crash).

Tuning the turbo (which involves accelerating on a dyno) is equal to stress testing and adjusting your settings appropriately.
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