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Mitchellvii, we've been through this, CPUs are designed to work constantly, doing less work is simply a break for them, if they were designed any other way then they'd be unsellable.

Each CPU is different, don't assume his is stable at 3.8Ghz, it might be lucky to get 3.5Ghz, mine isn't stable at 3.7Ghz+ (Without some tricky cooling mods that aren't worth the power usage and extra space needed), it BSODs at 3.8Ghz in general usage, so even with 1.55v and good temps (40c load back in winter) the best I can get is 3.7Ghz.

If your CPU runs everything but prime, good, then its stable, anyone who uses one test isn't that smart anyway, I usually run OCCT, Prime, 3Dmark Vantage and use it for my general usage, if it passes at least the general usage, OCCT and Vantage one then I class it as stable. (My OC passes all 4 of them, as well as F@H)

Your OC isn't fully stable, its stable enough for the CPU to redo calculations that it gets wrong automatically as they're only slightly wrong, but Prime picks up on it, don't say Prime hates the unlocked CPUs because as far as its concerned and it can tell, its just a normal Phenom II Quad Core, it runs fine on mine, your OC isn't fully stable and I wouldn't be surprised if you actually gained a bit of performance scaling back a tiny bit because of the time it takes to redo calculations.

Fair enough if you don't bother stress testing, but don't tell others not to do so, I'm sure losing an extra 100Mhz is nothing in comparison to keep your OS from crashing because the OC is a 99% stable OC that just happens to hit that 1% instability during Windows Update or something.
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Mitchellvii, we've been through this, CPUs are designed to work constantly, doing less work is simply a break for them, if they were designed any other way then they'd be unsellable.

Each CPU is different, don't assume his is stable at 3.8Ghz, it might be lucky to get 3.5Ghz, mine isn't stable at 3.7Ghz+ (Without some tricky cooling mods that aren't worth the power usage and extra space needed), it BSODs at 3.8Ghz in general usage, so even with 1.55v and good temps (40c load back in winter) the best I can get is 3.7Ghz.

If your CPU runs everything but prime, good, then its stable, anyone who uses one test isn't that smart anyway, I usually run OCCT, Prime, 3Dmark Vantage and use it for my general usage, if it passes at least the general usage, OCCT and Vantage one then I class it as stable. (My OC passes all 4 of them, as well as F@H)

Your OC isn't fully stable, its stable enough for the CPU to redo calculations that it gets wrong automatically as they're only slightly wrong, but Prime picks up on it, don't say Prime hates the unlocked CPUs because as far as its concerned and it can tell, its just a normal Phenom II Quad Core, it runs fine on mine, your OC isn't fully stable and I wouldn't be surprised if you actually gained a bit of performance scaling back a tiny bit because of the time it takes to redo calculations.

Fair enough if you don't bother stress testing, but don't tell others not to do so, I'm sure losing an extra 100Mhz is nothing in comparison to keep your OS from crashing because the OC is a 99% stable OC that just happens to hit that 1% instability during Windows Update or something.
Absolute sound advice, + rep for you sir, this sort of stuff could really help a few people avoid corrupt OS' and other damage.
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If your CPU runs everything but prime, good, then its stable, anyone who uses one test isn't that smart anyway, I usually run OCCT, Prime, 3Dmark Vantage and use it for my general usage, if it passes at least the general usage, OCCT and Vantage one then I class it as stable. (My OC passes all 4 of them, as well as F@H)
IMO if the overclock fails any of the tests put in front of it then its a failed overclock. I think there is always a trust thing that people accept overclocks are stable if stated by someone else; i.e. in your sig. If I knew mine failed even one test there is no way I would claim to be running that speed or would actually run it.

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Fair enough if you don't bother stress testing, but don't tell others not to do so, I'm sure losing an extra 100Mhz is nothing in comparison to keep your OS from crashing because the OC is a 99% stable OC that just happens to hit that 1% instability during Windows Update or something.
Stress testing is a must!
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i know im in the wrong place,
but this thread is the only one ive posted on and everyone is so helpful.

I bought 4GB ddr3 OCZ Fatal1ty ram,
Part number :OCZ3F13332G

i dont think i installed it/configured it properly, i dont uderstand ram timings, but in the program "Speccy" (nice program btw) this is what it says about my ram:
"4.0GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 669MHZ 9-9-9-20"

is this bad? good?

thanks, and sorry for wrong area.

Although my 550BE unlocked and is stable at 3.6 (up from 3.2 last time)
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rainman,

My B50 passes every test I throw at it BESIDES Prime. It could be that Prime just doesn't like 2 core CPU's that have been jerry-rigged in the BIOS to run 4 cores. Your B50 should be able to hold 3.8 no problems unless you have a bad core (which is always possible).

Anyway, the problem may be more with Prime than with your CPU. Remember that your CPU wasn't designed to be run as you are running it.
Hi mitchell,

I had managed to push it to 3.7ghz (18.5*200) with no further increase of vcore (remains at 1.5V) full load temp 52deg (prime95 2hrs)

As a matter of fact I can boot up to windows with 3.8/3.9/4ghz etc and managed to run prime95 for 10-15mins.....

I just got a feel that I can push the CPU slightly higher... no practical use for doing that, just fun and satisfaction
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Regardless what you may or may not believe HyperPi 8M will fail consistently with the least bit of instability as I've proven to myself many many times. Everybody has their own criteria to what's stable and that's mine. I don't have to run Prime95 and Furmark for 24 hours to prove stability to myself. If I have a successful 8M run with my box OC'd I know that it will not crash ever. As I said, I have proven this to myself over a long overclocking period of time. Hope I don't sound toooo defensive.
After testing out Hyper Pi I would strongly disagree with your statement. OCCT and P95 both bsod my system while Hyper pi does anything I ask it too and works perfect.

I commented before that I have never used HyPi so I couldn't disagree with your method and would usually leave it as that, but I think you posting 'stable' overclocks like this might be a bit misleading to noobs who would just take your word for it.
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Brutuz,

Sorry friend, but i still disagree with your opinion. Please remember that that is what it is, your opinion.

If I buy a sports car that can go 160, I don't drive it at 160 for 24 hours just to make sure it won't break down 2 years from now going 65 on the freeway. During the stress testing I am likely to damage the car to the point it is MORE likely to break down BECAUSE of the stress test. Can you honestly say that CPU's are NEVER damaged by Prime testing?

Why the heck would I want to run my CPU at temps it will NEVER EVER EVER encounter in real world use? To me this is madness. I don't hit a watermelon with a baseball bat to make sure it can survive sitting in the grocery bin.

So are you saying that it is impossible for a CPU which has passed Prime for 24 hours to eventually corrupt an OS? If you Prime test all of your CPU's, how do you know they would have broken down had you not tested them? How do you know that you have never shortened the life of your CPU because you Prime tested it?

We'll just agree to disagree on this one, but I believe that my position on this is just as valid as yours and readers can choose which they prefer.
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Brutuz,

Sorry friend, but i still disagree with your opinion. Please remember that that is what it is, your opinion.

If I buy a sports car that can go 160, I don't drive it at 160 for 24 hours just to make sure it won't break down 2 years from now going 65 on the freeway. During the stress testing I am likely to damage the car to the point it is MORE likely to break down BECAUSE of the stress test. Can you honestly say that CPU's are NEVER damaged by Prime testing?

Why the heck would I want to run my CPU at temps it will NEVER EVER EVER encounter in real world use? To me this is madness. I don't hit a watermelon with a baseball bat to make sure it can survive sitting in the grocery bin.

So are you saying that it is impossible for a CPU which has passed Prime for 24 hours to eventually corrupt an OS? If you Prime test all of your CPU's, how do you know they would have broken down had you not tested them? How do you know that you have never shortened the life of your CPU because you Prime tested it?

We'll just agree to disagree on this one, but I believe that my position on this is just as valid as yours and readers can choose which they prefer.
Actually, with your analogy, that would be the same as going "Hmmn, this CPU is 2.6Ghz stock.. better stress test it" a better analogy would be to put a turbocharger in your car (The "overclock") and tune it, most people do "stress test" it then too, usually by putting it on that thing that lets you get your horsepower at the wheels (Forgot the name).

No CPU except a very poorly made one would be damaged by prime stress testing, Intel Burn Test might as it does get your CPU to temps well above what it normally would run at, Prime runs an average 100% load, like for example, a CPU limited game/any time your GPU isn't the bottleneck in a game? Plus there's all the folders, etc.

You keep putting out these analogy's that would only work if you were stress testing a stock CPU, which just doesn't happen except in niche markets that need 110% stability.

If I was concerned about the life of my CPU, I wouldn't OC at all, lets use some estimates here.. Running CPU at 1.55v knocks off ~3 years, all that stress testing knocks off 1~ year, I'd still have at least 6 years of life from it. (Or more, my 14 year old over-volted and clocked Pentium MMX 166 @ 233Mhz has always run at that speed as it was from a dodgy retailer, it's been used quite a bit at 100% load too as my aunt put XP on it when she was using it.)

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IMO if the overclock fails any of the tests put in front of it then its a failed overclock. I think there is always a trust thing that people accept overclocks are stable if stated by someone else; i.e. in your sig. If I knew mine failed even one test there is no way I would claim to be running that speed or would actually run it.

Stress testing is a must!
For me it depends, if it passes my General Usage tests, 3Dmark Vantage and a few games, but doesn't pass OCCT and Prime, I'll keep using it. (However as soon as I get a non nv4_dsp.dll related BSOD I'll lower it)

For example, this 3.7Ghz is Prime Stable, OCCT stable, Vantage Stable, General Usage stable and even F@H SMP on all 4 cores stable.
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just got myself a ma770t-ud3p
finally i can unlock my chip ..
but too bad i just shorted my colorful.
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