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I am super green to the world of PC building. In fact, the system in my profile has not even been built yet!!! It's really a shopping list that I have put together over the past four weeks (four weeks ago I didn't know a heat sink/fan from a chipset from a 939 socket).

This PC is going to be used for audio engineering and I will be using software samplers and the like as well. These sort of things are known to use up system resources (RAM especially).

Anyway, I was wondering if I could get any feedback from those of you who have been around the block once or twice. Are any of these components known to suck? Things like the Do's and Dont's of building, etc.

I will eventually upgrade to a RAID 0+1 configuration so I can call up large multitrack audio files without the risk of array failure.. blah blah blah... I'm not here to bore the crap out of you.

I'm going for silence, speed, future proofing AND budget here. All suggestions are welcome!!

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Originally Posted by thebearingedge
I am super green to the world of PC building. In fact, the system in my profile has not even been built yet!!! It's really a shopping list that I have put together over the past four weeks (four weeks ago I didn't know a heat sink/fan from a chipset from a 939 socket).

This PC is going to be used for audio engineering and I will be using software samplers and the like as well. These sort of things are known to use up system resources (RAM especially).

Anyway, I was wondering if I could get any feedback from those of you who have been around the block once or twice. Are any of these components known to suck? Things like the Do's and Dont's of building, etc.

I will eventually upgrade to a RAID 0+1 configuration so I can call up large multitrack audio files without the risk of array failure.. blah blah blah... I'm not here to bore the crap out of you.

I'm going for silence, speed, future proofing AND budget here. All suggestions are welcome!!

1. dont buy generic crap that noones heard of.

2. make sure (takes a lot of time i.e. weeks) your parts are compatible and perfect in your eyes and confirm it with us

3. dont shock you're system with static!

4. audio eh? how bout a creative x-fi sound card?

5. if no games then no need to worry so much about things like GPU and CPU.

6. Logitech + creative make good speaker systems.

7. if you're not playing games and say your system takes a lot of resources from the ram, then just get a 1gig or 512mb dual channel kit and up your page file.

NOTE: all of the above are IMO
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Thanks for the tips, Jinra321!

Regarding deferring to the overclock.net folks: You bet!!!

Regarding your suggestion of the X-fi Sound card. I noticed that these cards have a 96kHz sampling rate. To be competative with other engineers (some who are enslaved by Pro Tools ) I want to try to use something with a Hi-def sampling rate a la 192kHz. I've found a PCI card that has an interface that will be compatible with my preamps that supports such a sampling rate. It supports up to 16 channel SIMULTANEOUS recording for drum kits or ensemble tracking!!!

So you think 1GB should suffice? I noticed that ASUS has a VERY short list of approved RAM manufacturers and that a lot of the enhanced latency stuff is not listed.

I have also read that using 4 dimms in an a8n board causes a problem with something called 1T command??? This is a new concept to me. If I only get 1 GB in dual channel and want to upgrade to 2 with more 512 dimms am I going to take a performance hit versus 2 x 1 GB dimms?

Thanks again!!!
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I would go with pentium D since it's cheaper and dual core and for sound x-fi sound card then get a nvidia 6600 or ati x700 something cheap
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post #5 of 33
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Originally Posted by thebearingedge
Thanks for the tips, Jinra321!

Regarding deferring to the overclock.net folks: You bet!!!

Regarding your suggestion of the X-fi Sound card. I noticed that these cards have a 96kHz sampling rate. To be competative with other engineers (some who are enslaved by Pro Tools ) I want to try to use something with a Hi-def sampling rate a la 192kHz. I've found a PCI card that has an interface that will be compatible with my preamps that supports such a sampling rate. It supports up to 16 channel SIMULTANEOUS recording for drum kits or ensemble tracking!!!

So you think 1GB should suffice? I noticed that ASUS has a VERY short list of approved RAM manufacturers and that a lot of the enhanced latency stuff is not listed.

I have also read that using 4 dimms in an a8n board causes a problem with something called 1T command??? This is a new concept to me. If I only get 1 GB in dual channel and want to upgrade to 2 with more 512 dimms am I going to take a performance hit versus 2 x 1 GB dimms?

Thanks again!!!
oh well i dont recommend this board for you since its an SLi board and you wont need that for audio work. The audio card was just a suggestion, however it was one from a gamers' prospective, i know nothing about audio engineering XD. you shouldnt worry about timings too much since you dont really need the speed.

well for gaming (which is really intensive!) all a gamer really needs is 1 GB, so maybe just stick with 1 gb dual channel with a good page file should be more than enough (although i'm not familiar with audio engineering)
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post #6 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebearingedge
Thanks for the tips, Jinra321!

Regarding deferring to the overclock.net folks: You bet!!!

Regarding your suggestion of the X-fi Sound card. I noticed that these cards have a 96kHz sampling rate. To be competative with other engineers (some who are enslaved by Pro Tools ) I want to try to use something with a Hi-def sampling rate a la 192kHz. I've found a PCI card that has an interface that will be compatible with my preamps that supports such a sampling rate. It supports up to 16 channel SIMULTANEOUS recording for drum kits or ensemble tracking!!!

So you think 1GB should suffice? I noticed that ASUS has a VERY short list of approved RAM manufacturers and that a lot of the enhanced latency stuff is not listed.

I have also read that using 4 dimms in an a8n board causes a problem with something called 1T command??? This is a new concept to me. If I only get 1 GB in dual channel and want to upgrade to 2 with more 512 dimms am I going to take a performance hit versus 2 x 1 GB dimms?

Thanks again!!!
Do not worry about 1T or 2T since the difference is so small plus doesnt affect real world performance
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post #7 of 33
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thanks all the same. all the information I've found points to gaming as THE most demanding use for a PC so if 1 GB work for you guys I should probably try to save money by only going for 1 in dual channel.

I forgot to mention that the main reason why i was going for the XFX card was because it has dual DVI (i'll need two monitors eventually for some multitasking). If a graphics card has 1 digital and 1 analog out can I still use 2 monitors? If so I would gladly reconsider for a cheaper GPU!!!!

Regarding the Pentium D... If I'm only running 1 app at a time, will I still be able to see an advantage with the Pentium D (not to mention having to shop for another mobo!!!

BTW: 3700+ ($244 MonarchComputer) Pentium D 820 ($256.03 A2Zcomp)

Thanks guys, PLEASE more feedback. You guys know whats up!!!
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post #8 of 33
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Originally Posted by thebearingedge
thanks all the same. all the information I've found points to gaming as THE most demanding use for a PC so if 1 GB work for you guys I should probably try to save money by only going for 1 in dual channel.

I forgot to mention that the main reason why i was going for the XFX card was because it has dual DVI (i'll need two monitors eventually for some multitasking). If a graphics card has 1 digital and 1 analog out can I still use 2 monitors? If so I would gladly reconsider for a cheaper GPU!!!!

Regarding the Pentium D... If I'm only running 1 app at a time, will I still be able to see an advantage with the Pentium D (not to mention having to shop for another mobo!!!

BTW: 3700+ ($244 MonarchComputer) Pentium D 820 ($256.03 A2Zcomp)

Thanks guys, PLEASE more feedback. You guys know whats up!!!
either pentium D or AMD x2 You can get an AGP GPU because they also have 1 analog 1 dvi ports that DO support dual monitors
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post #9 of 33
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Cool Cool.

Good to know about the stuff regarding 1T/2T.

Question about the AGP stuff!!!

do they make mobo's that have an AGP slot and PCIex1 slots? I probably want to have at least one for a fire wire card (the A8n-E doesn't have any built in firewire!!! D'OH!!)

At first I was looking at the SLi models but I don't think I need two graphics slots.

I am wanting to kind of future-proof this rig a little.
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Originally Posted by thebearingedge
Cool Cool.

Good to know about the stuff regarding 1T/2T.

Question about the AGP stuff!!!

do they make mobo's that have an AGP slot and PCIex1 slots? I probably want to have at least one for a fire wire card (the A8n-E doesn't have any built in firewire!!! D'OH!!)

At first I was looking at the SLi models but I don't think I need two graphics slots.

I am wanting to kind of future-proof this rig a little.
future proof? then i'd go with AMD x2 (since i like and trust AMD more)
you can search around for another motherboard that has build in firewire. The A8N SLi has 1 firewire slot and additional ones if you need them.
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