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Also, just for the record, my vdrop/vdroop is about .024v, that seems like a lot to me, but not huge. Is there any way to minimize the vdrop/vdroop on this board?

As soon as I get a decent clock to pass stress tests, I'm getting random reboots in Windows (surfing the net, nothing stressing), lines across the screen reboots, no bsod's at all, and I don't know what that means.

For the Record, I have all the most updated driver installed, but none of the Windows requested drivers. I can provide versions if needed.
This part right here hit home for me i have the same problems no BSODs just lockups freezes and vdroop during prime95. I really hope you can get this resolved so you can tell me how to get it resolved also.

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First think you should try is relax RAM timings a bit. 7-7-7-24-31 should give you more stability.
I should really thank for just reading the post, much less actually responding!

So, then what is memtest for?
I was under the impression if it passes memtest, it's stable, regardless of other components clocks. Not true?
If that is the case, would you mind explaining that to me so I will understand why. I actually ran memtest at those settings with the NB at like 2440 or something a few hours ago just to be sure that combination was ok.

Thanks for the suggestion, going to try it right now. Will update.

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Ok, so I went and changed the settings to 200Mhz, CPU 20x (it had passed higher), NB 13x, and HT 10x. CPU VID 1.56, NB 1.325 & 1.2, HT auto and ram at 1:4 7-7-7-24-31-1t, 1.65v.

First thing it took two restarts to post, but then went right into Windows. Ok, we may be on to something.

Tried IntelBurn, and it froze up on the fourth pass, I didn't even realize it was frozen till I noticed Speedfan was not doing it's refresh thing every nanosecond.

I will get back to the slate and retry my slower clocks, see if the settings hold with what I reached the other night and will let you know.

I'm going to try this initially with the ram at 1066, 7-7-7-24-40-1.65v, as 40 was the default setting.

Will keep you posted.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated. I'm not sure this is all of my problems, but possibly a good chunk of them.

Marc


EDIT: I have heard that the Ph II's x4 need/want the NB core v (the one near the bottom) to be at 1.2v, not 1.1v as a starting point. Is this correct? Anyone else heard that, and can confirm yes or no?
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mduclow,

You must remember that you have to allow time for the speeds to burn in.

First of all, memtest Only test for errors. Just because it does throw any errors in memtest, doesn't mean that it's stable. Prime95 on Blend will tell you if it's stable. Make sure that you Prime with Small FFT's first to ensure that your CPU OC is stable. As long as you pass a good 10-12hrs on Prime with Small FFT's then move to the Prime Blend test. If it fails then you know that you have an issue with an unhappy CPUNB or Memory.

I would even try to CL 8 to see if that will lesson the stress and enable a blend pass or two at least. If that doesn't work then I would bump the CPU-NB to 1.425 and leave it. Try around 1.25-1.35 on your NB.

I'm not sure if you realize this (or how many endusers of this board do) but your Dram volatage is also a "reserve" volatge for the CPU-NB..... So don't be affraid to try up to 1.8v on your Dram Voltage.

I have found that this makes a Big difference when it comes to Getting the Ram higher.

I have 2000MHz Ram that needs higher than it's reccommended voltage to hit 1775+. I have had it as high as 1832MHz but I was pumping the volts through it.

The CPU-NB on these chips should be able to easily hit 2600MHz without anymore than 1.35v (1.3v is stock) 1.4v 1.45v will enable 2800 - 2875Mhz. You need 1.5v- 1.55v to hit 2900- 2925Mhz and I haven't been able to hit above 3000MHz on CPU-NB with any volts . I can get into windows But it reboots within 30-45seconds.

Anyway, when you are OCing everything at the same time, it's going to be very tough to hit close to the same speeds that you achieved when OCing them all seperate. It puts more more stress on them when they're all OCing together. By themselves, they don't the stress of the others because they're operating at stock speeds and volts.

You just have to find a happy medium between the group.

For instance; I can hit 4GHz with my CPU by it self. 2950MHz with my NB, by it self. 1792MHZ Ram (4Gb) by itself. But all together is a different story. Right now I'm trying to get:

CPU 3.6Ghz (300*12) @ 1.49v
CPU-NB 2.7GHz (300*9) @ 1.425v
2x2Gb of RAM 1600Mhz 8-8-8-28-34-1T @ 2.05v
HT 2.1GHz -2.7GHz @ 1.2v(stock) -1.3v

Yesterday I could only get 1 core to manage to prime on blend for over 5 hours. But today I have 3 cores Solid on Blend for 7+.

So my final thoughts on this post would be to be patient and keep at it! It pays off.

SORRY FOR SUCH A LONG POST AS WELL!
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mduclow,

You must remember that you have to allow time for the speeds to burn in.
I did not know that, at all. I'm more of a noob in this game than I realized, I guess.
Could you elaborate a bit more for me? What do you mean, how long?

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I'm not sure if you realize this (or how many endusers of this board do) but your Dram volatage is also a "reserve" volatge for the CPU-NB..... So don't be affraid to try up to 1.8v on your Dram Voltage.
I did not know that either.

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The CPU-NB on these chips should be able to easily hit 2600MHz without anymore than 1.35v (1.3v is stock) 1.4v 1.45v will enable 2800 - 2875Mhz. You need 1.5v- 1.55v to hit 2900- 2925Mhz and I haven't been able to hit above 3000MHz on CPU-NB with any volts . I can get into windows But it reboots within 30-45seconds.
Are you saying that when I go into the bios and adjust the CPU-NB VID that the starting point should be 1.3v, and anything under that is under-volting? Also, are you saying that up to 1.55v on the CPU-NB VID is ok, meaning not too much? And should I just leave the 'NB Voltage (v)' at auto?

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Anyway, when you are OCing everything at the same time, it's going to be very tough to hit close to the same speeds that you achieved when OCing them all seperate. It puts more more stress on them when they're all OCing together. By themselves, they don't the stress of the others because they're operating at stock speeds and volts.

You just have to find a happy medium between the group.
Makes sense, but a guy had told me to clock them all separate and then you know your limits. I must have not understood what he meant, and he probably thought I knew more about this than I do.

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Yesterday I could only get 1 core to manage to prime on blend for over 5 hours. But today I have 3 cores Solid on Blend for 7+.
Ok, I guess I don't have the foggiest idea what Prime95 is, or is for. I have never used it (I did download it) because I don't have the patience.

I figure if it passes these tests (like IntelBurn - it is a quick test), then I will be fine with my daily needs on the computer.

@McDown rep+, thanks for the advice on the memory.

... same for you Mastiffman, thanks for the help in understanding this.

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I just got the new version of Everest which updates my temp sensors. I now have the NB sensor available on it. It is showing that it idles at around 60*. This seems too high to me. Everything else on my system runs cool. My CPU is currently 29* and my vid is 38*. I guess I need to take the heatsink off the NB/SB and add MX-2 to it and also check to see if the heatsink needs to be lapped just a little. Do you think the temp on my NB is high and would MX-2 be OK to use on it? I have used it on my cpu and vid card.
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Im convinced theres something wrong with my system...I hate this 965 i cant get it stable at 3.8 no matter what. Within seconds of pressing start on prime95 the system goes to a black screen and freezes. I really want to return this chip....got it from newegg

To show you how bad it is...i can do 18.5multi which is 3.7ghz @1.4v but i cant get it stable at 3.8 1.4 thru 1.5v. Ive tried 19xmulti down to 16 multi and uppin the HT but it dosent work
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Im convinced theres something wrong with my system...I hate this 965 i cant get it stable at 3.8 no matter what. Within seconds of pressing start on prime95 the system goes to a black screen and freezes. I really want to return this chip....got it from newegg

To show you how bad it is...i can do 18.5multi which is 3.7ghz @1.4v but i cant get it stable at 3.8 1.4 thru 1.5v. Ive tried 19xmulti down to 16 multi and uppin the HT but it dosent work
Sorry guys but I've been busy again
dir_d: try 19 x 200 @ 1.54, CPU-NB 1.3. watch your temps carefully , CPU, core, NB and MB, and let me know how that works I will be back on later tonight to give any help i possibly can but I am still in the middle of some crap....

I will also be looking into a way to kill some of the vdroop more on that later.
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Sorry guys but I've been busy again
dir_d: try 19 x 200 @ 1.54, CPU-NB 1.3. watch your temps carefully , CPU, core, NB and MB, and let me know how that works I will be back on later tonight to give any help i possibly can but I am still in the middle of some crap....

I will also be looking into a way to kill some of the vdroop more on that later.
I cant i dont have the cooling right now...I might just retun this chip for a C3 stepping... if i cant get it stable at 3.8 i just dont think i have a good chip..i got till nov 11 to return it. If i can get my Megalhelm and 120x38 fan by then ill try again. Might get some better Ram too. 1600 9-9-9-24@1.5 sucks, i cant get that ram down to CAS7 at all either.

Im just really disappointed in my system right now
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I cant i dont have the cooling right now...I might just retun this chip for a C3 stepping... if i cant get it stable at 3.8 i just dont think i have a good chip..i got till nov 11 to return it. If i can get my Megalhelm and 120x38 fan by then ill try again. Might get some better Ram too. 1600 9-9-9-24@1.5 sucks, i cant get that ram down to CAS7 at all either.

Im just really disappointed in my system right now
What bios are you running?
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