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Question,

Does anyone have any idea Why I wouldn't be able to flash my BIOS but MSI would. Tech support said that they use a machine. I sent my motherbosrd to MSI last Tuesday and just received it today. I stuck it all together and low and behold I STILL had the same BIOS on it.
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Tech support is lying kinda. The GD70 does not have a removable bios chip so the usual machine way is out. but they may have some sort of setup where they contact the chip pins and flash that way.

On another note I would call and complain if the bios is the same and they were supposed to change it.



I agree but I try to give at least one answer before I write them off. In this case tho I felt that what I said was warranted.
The GD70 has an SPI port for flashing the bios chip. You could build your own flasher, but it's a little more trouble than what it's worth. Tech support wasn't lying when they said they used a machine.


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I think many of us agree. +rep

There are some very generous (with their time and help) people on this forum, near daily.

Thanks to all of you who have given your help and time, day after day!

Marc
Ditto. For sure.
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Wow, it took awhile, but this thread went to hell with people arguing. "Arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded..." I don't recall who quoted that, but get over yourselfs. Just do what it is you do, and quit ruining this thread.

So, MSI's rep for this board is starting to go down because of the weak bios revisions? Is that what I'm seeing? Or people are just getting bad boards like crazy? That really sucks because I went out on a limb with this MSI board after only being a fan of DFI (939 days.) I feel fortunate tho, my C2 955 has been a champ since I got it stable at 3.8, and I haven't had ANY problems.

One thing I can say to the guy with GTA IV probs, maybe crank all the settings down to see if it could be horrendous load on the cpu. I know most of it would be gpu based PROBABLY, but you gotta try something else. IF you're at 16xaa vsync enabled, and all very high settings (if those optiosn are there, I don't own gta 4 for PC) turn them all down. If you're running a unlocked chip well then, there's your answer,t he cores aren't stable, hence the fact they are disabled from the get go.

To the guy with the sound prob... I've notcied lately a high pitch almost data sound coming from my studio monitors, and I use an Audigy 2 ZS Platinum sound card, not on board. IF you're on Win 7 64 bit like me, then that might be the reason. I've noticed since the beta Win 7 days til now, theres always been Audigy driver problems with Win 7. When I turn my mixer up, I get to about 75% power and can start hearing this high pitched, pulsating sound, and when I disconnected the cable from the computer to the mixer and turn it up again, it goes away. Obvious data interference. IDK what to do about it. I might try on-board just to see whats up.
Make sure you mute the CDROM line in. i have the same card and i get that from that line because its analog. I wanted to try the onboard realtek front panel headphone slot but i get that sime whine when i move my mouse around in windows...i couldnt take it so i just stuck with my Audigy 2 ZS card.
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Make sure you mute the CDROM line in. i have the same card and i get that from that line because its analog. I wanted to try the onboard realtek front panel headphone slot but i get that sime whine when i move my mouse around in windows...i couldnt take it so i just stuck with my Audigy 2 ZS card.
Go into your advanced audio properties and mute the PC speaker. That is usually the cause of the noise heard when moving the mouse or when the DVD drive spins up.
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Go into your advanced audio properties and mute the PC speaker. That is usually the cause of the noise heard when moving the mouse or when the DVD drive spins up

yeah I figured that out after Sending my Asus A8n342 Sli deluxe back to RMA three times. Sure enough it had the buzzing noise Every time that I moved a window (the loudest noise) or the mouse (a bit more quiet). Regardless, the both bugged the crap out me. But sure enough when I muted the PC speakers it stopped.

Shadow419!!!!!

Where you been buddy? It's nice to see you back on!

Thank for the info, both of you on the Flashy thingy! (MIB) For some reason I could use my USB to flash before going to 1.77b. I'nm not sure if it was FAT nased or just FAT. Either way I called MSI TEch and they said to flash it using the USB Format tool" and add the window 98 bootable files in proces. Then vopy the AFUD4310 and the BIOS that i want to the USB device. Set the USB port as first boot deviec and reboot her and it will flash.

Sure enough! It did! SO I'm happy for now with that. I realy don't understand why it would flash before but after flashing to BIOS 1.77b I had to reformat my USB. I went to OCZ and downloaded the 1.77b originally because they said that it (M-Flash inablity to flash bug) was fixed. Obviosly not or it was justa change in the way that it's able to flash.

So if anyone's having issues, try reformating the USB device as Described above...

I seriously think that if the IMC's on these chips (well at least the C2's revsions) are pushed to hard and/ or are pumped with to many volts, it damages them in some way.

I think that is possible to verify over time but Booting up as high as you can with Ram (keeping the OC on the CPU and CPU-NB low) and recording the Details. Aftera few weeks of doing the OC thing entirely, try it again. I thinkt hat will be the best way to tell if the IMC is weekening.

As Long as you have tested the Ram with memtest forst to ensure that it's not the ram. JMO
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I seriously think that if the IMC's on these chips (well at least the C2's revisions) are pushed to hard and/ or are pumped with to many volts, it damages them in some way.
It's funny you say that, I was thinking that it was right after I hit the NB with 1.55v that it would no longer be stable, even at stock speeds.

I wasn't thinking of it as a weakness in the chips, though, good looking!

Does anyone have any similar observations with the C3's? I'm replacing my chip with a C3 and would be grateful to know ahead if the IMC is a weak component on them, though it doesn't seem so from what's been shared so far.

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The new bios u using any better?
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I seriously think that if the IMC's on these chips (well at least the C2's revsions) are pushed to hard and/ or are pumped with to many volts, it damages them in some way.
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It's funny you say that, I was thinking that it was right after I hit the NB with 1.55v that it would no longer be stable, even at stock speeds.
This is exactly what electromigration is. This is also the same reason why these chips prefer cold to volts.

Here's an excerpt from it:
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Although electromigration damage ultimately results in failure of the affected IC, the first symptoms are intermittent glitches.
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With increasing miniaturization the probability of failure due to electromigration increases
So as you see, with the 45 NM CPU it is actually a lot easier to damage them. And the damage is permanent, that's why your CPU was no longer stable even at stock speeds Marc.
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It's funny you say that, I was thinking that it was right after I hit the NB with 1.55v that it would no longer be stable, even at stock speeds.

I wasn't thinking of it as a weakness in the chips, though, good looking!

Does anyone have any similar observations with the C3's? I'm replacing my chip with a C3 and would be grateful to know ahead if the IMC is a weak component on them, though it doesn't seem so from what's been shared so far.

Marc
Nope my C3 is rock solid. Went from a C2 chip that couldnt keep anything over 3.6Ghz stable to C3 that has 4Ghz stable and 2.8Ghz stable NB at low voltages. 1.45v for CPU and 1.25v for NB. I can go higher than 4Ghz on the C3 but i hit a lil wall and 4.1Ghz wants 1.56v. Im pretty sure i could get it stable at lower voltages but im happy with 4Ghz right now.
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So as you see, with the 45 NM CPU it is actually a lot easier to damage them. And the damage is permanent, that's why your CPU was no longer stable even at stock speeds Marc.
Ok. +rep

I do not want to go through this again, naturally, so when I get my C3, what can you suggest for me as to a good way to overclock it without damaging it. This is really my first time overclocking beyond a slight fsb increase with locked chips.

It seems I have damaged two chips then, and probably everything else I have returned so far (feeling really guilty, now!).

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