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How do you like your CPU cooler? Im thinking of getting one....

what are your temps under load and idle? Thx!
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Hi Spawnblade,your temps look pretty good to me,you keep reffering to "system temp",are you reffering to motherboard temp,if you are it's not high,when you run everest stress test,let it idle for a while so we can see your idle temps,then run the stress test for 30 minutes minimum,so we can see your load temps,then we have a better idea of fluctuations.

What TIM are you using on the HSF,as some need a certain amount of curring time,ie AS5 takes about 200 hours to reach optimum performance.Hope this helps.
The TIM on the stock is simply what came with it. I wanted to see what the temps would be shown as with everything as it's 'supposed' to be.

The TIM I used with the Zalman cooler was Zalman ZM-STG1. I even tried reapplying it and testing it with the same results as shown above.


The system temp, is the motherboard I believe. At least, it says 'System Temperature' in the bios HW Monitor, and that's what I'm referring to. I don't see how that's low though, when the air temperature inside the case is 23 degrees Celsius, and that's on immediate startup with no real time to heat up.

Also, the cpu temps aren't low at all. From everything I've read, idle CPU temps should be drastically lower. Yet with the stress test I was seeing CPU temps of 55 C and Core temps of 52 C! Isn't that red zone? And with stock voltage/speeds people have listed FAR lower temps with the stock fan all over the net. Honestly, the Zalman temps are what I'd expect the stock temps to be at. I don't see how it's possible to overclock, even with this high-end air cooler, if my temps are like that.

Oh, and again, my CPU temp is being listed as HIGHER than the Core temps?! Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

I'm running Everest on idle with the stock cooler for the time being to give you a better sample. I'm hesitant to run a stress test for too long with the stock cooler because of how dangerous the cpu reading is, but I'll give it a go after I get a decent idle sample.

[edit] Ah, just realized the Zalman load temps aren't shown. I wrote them down though. The temps on load were 46 for CPU and 43.5 for cores. That was with room/inside case temp of 23C.
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so you mean 75° is very high, but it is on every msi 790fx-gd70 ?

if i get a new board, the temperature will also be high as my board?

and the only thing i can do is to remove the old tim?

right?

so the "failure" is on every board?
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yea but at 158mm high I dont think it will fit in my NZXT Adamas case... 120mm is pushing it I think....
Time to pull out the Cutting wheel! Cut a hole in the side of the case!

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hi, my northbridge temperature is 75-78 @ last. is it normal? can it be damaged?
No that is not normal... It almost seems that the altest batch of MSI 790FX-GD70's have been shipped with a new Chipset/MOSFET TIM... or something...

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The TIM on the stock is simply what came with it. I wanted to see what the temps would be shown as with everything as it's 'supposed' to be.

The TIM I used with the Zalman cooler was Zalman ZM-STG1. I even tried reapplying it and testing it with the same results as shown above.


The system temp, is the motherboard I believe. At least, it says 'System Temperature' in the bios HW Monitor, and that's what I'm referring to. I don't see how that's low though, when the air temperature inside the case is 23 degrees Celsius, and that's on immediate startup with no real time to heat up.

Also, the cpu temps aren't low at all. From everything I've read, idle CPU temps should be drastically lower. Yet with the stress test I was seeing CPU temps of 55 C and Core temps of 52 C! Isn't that red zone? And with stock voltage/speeds people have listed FAR lower temps with the stock fan all over the net. Honestly, the Zalman temps are what I'd expect the stock temps to be at. I don't see how it's possible to overclock, even with this high-end air cooler, if my temps are like that.

Oh, and again, my CPU temp is being listed as HIGHER than the Core temps?! Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

I'm running Everest on idle with the stock cooler for the time being to give you a better sample. I'm hesitant to run a stress test for too long with the stock cooler because of how dangerous the cpu reading is, but I'll give it a go after I get a decent idle sample.

[edit] Ah, just realized the Zalman load temps aren't shown. I wrote them down though. The temps on load were 46 for CPU and 43.5 for cores. That was with room/inside case temp of 23C.
YOU have to remember that most users are removing the MFR applied TIM and replacing with something like MX or AS5 thermate compound.. This will yield better temps.

You should try this and see if it makes a difference. I may very well be that the TIm is causing this issue.

Good luck!
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YOU have to remember that most users are removing the MFR applied TIM and replacing with something like MX or AS5 thermate compound.. This will yield better temps.

You should try this and see if it makes a difference. I may very well be that the TIm is causing this issue.

Good luck!


Already noted that I tried with an aftermarket HSF (Zalman CNPS 9700 NT 110mm) and aftermarket thermal compound. Temps were ~32/~46 compared to ~43/~60. The heatsink isn't getting that hot either, in fact I'd say they're cool (neither of them.) Whereas I can feel the heat on the mobo around the CPU. 32/46 is about 15 degrees higher than I've seen people post with equivalent setups. In fact, it's around what people are getting with 955s OCed to 3.8 ghz. Perhaps this is more a CPU issue than a mainboard issue at this point. In fact, I'm betting my CPU is not flat, or something is wrong with the heat spreader. I can't think of another reason why both heatsinks would be so cool. In which case, I should probably take this over to the AMD forums.

Different question though:

Plugged a harddrive that had two existing partitions into the 790FX. It recognizes the first partition on it, but not the second one. It's a 500 GB drive, and 395 of the 500 is recognized. Any idea how I might fix this?


Thanks for the last few responses .
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just grab a 955 to play with and see which you like better. I'm keeping both actually.

My HT link was @ 3300mhz btw. I think they've had them like a week or two.
The 955 is sitting in my cart right now.

Just working on the guts to tell the wife that I sold her xmas present she got me and bought something better...
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The 955 is sitting in my cart right now.

Just working on the guts to tell the wife that I sold her xmas present she got me and bought something better...
LOL!! Do it!!!

On a side topic to that...

I just replaced the chipset heatsink TIM, and I cannot believe the difference. I thought I had a good seating etc... with the stock set-up, but wow, what a difference. I'm seeing about a 15*c drop in NB temp!!

Just prior to replacing, Everest showed the NB idling around 53-54*c, right now it is sitting on 39*c and hasn't changed one degree, whereas before it would move around about 2*c.

I've also noticed the CPU is a couple of degrees cooler.

I'm going to do a little gaming, and then some folding (both cards) and see how it does. Lately it's been in the 59-63*c range in those situations at these ambients (66-68*f), and my current clocks.

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Oh, and by the way, that is one sick clocking 955 you got there NCspecV81. You have stirred the pot here, and I'll bet a few people are going to be jumping one those now (maybe even me!).
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Spawnblade,at the risk of sounding patronising,how are you applying the TIM,as too much is as bad as none at all,there are several methods used to apply TIM,i have used most,ie the uncooked grain of rice size in the centre of the cpu's heatspreader,and allowing the HSF to spread the paste,but i have had the best results with the line method,ie a thin line of TIM along one edge of the cpu heatspreader,and then using a credit card or similar,manually spreading it out over the heatspreader,but once again,you only need a thin layer.

Also,each make of TIM will have a different viscosity,i have changed from AS5 to Arctic cooling MX-3,the MX-3 is much thicker than the AS5,and has no curing time,where AS5 has a recomended curing time,so your Zallman TIM may have it's own curing time to reach optimum thermal performance.
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Spawnblade,at the risk of sounding patronising,how are you applying the TIM,as too much is as bad as none at all,there are several methods used to apply TIM,i have used most,ie the uncooked grain of rice size in the centre of the cpu's heatspreader,and allowing the HSF to spread the paste,but i have had the best results with the line method,ie a thin line of TIM along one edge of the cpu heatspreader,and then using a credit card or similar,manually spreading it out over the heatspreader,but once again,you only need a thin layer.

Also,each make of TIM will have a different viscosity,i have changed from AS5 to Arctic cooling MX-3,the MX-3 is much thicker than the AS5,and has no curing time,where AS5 has a recomended curing time,so your Zallman TIM may have it's own curing time to reach optimum thermal performance.
The ZM-STG1 comes with a brush to use for its application. I covered the heat spreader with a thin film, and didn't put any on the HSF base. It's little enough that none squeezes out when the HSF is clamped down. When I reseat my Zalman I'll try even less and see what happens (using the plastic bag trick to see if that gets it even thinner than the brush did.) I was very conservative in my application. In fact, if there wasn't so much anxiety over people applying too much TIM in the tech community, I'd adamantly deny having done so. I did reseat the HSF three times in testing (with different amounts) and had no difference.

Just curious, but I noticed that my PSU voltage on the 12v rail is showing up as 11.88, though I'm told it should be around 12.2-12.4. Would this have any impact or no?
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I have seen that zallman brush on TIM,and used it,i was not impressed to say the least,they make some good HSF's,but in my opinion there TIM leaves a lot to be desired,but each to there own and all that.I would personaly recomend a better make of TIM,ie AS5,MX-3,OCZ freeze and the like,youl get far better results.

As for your 12v rail,i think you should look into it,as your right,should be just above the 12v mark,well mine is anyway,is your PSU single 12v rail,or multi,???
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