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"Unfortunately im running 1333mhz ram so im not much help.. But ... Ive pushed it as far as 1740 were it became unstable... Try adjusting your timings and upping your ram voltage to whats its rated at(if its lower) and maybe bump your NB up a bit.... See if that helps..... "

G.E. Nauticus,

I have OCZ3FXE20004GK It's 2x2gb of 2000MHz running at 8-8-8-30 @ 2.0-2.05v and I've lossened everything up and overvolted thing quite a bit. Over what everyone has suggested. I can't boot into OS past 1700Mhz no matter what! Doesn't matter the settings. And when I use the "Multistep Overclock" feature I can boot into windws but once the full OC kicks in about 30secs after entering Windows, it will freeze up and I have to Hard Shutdown...

I've seen reviews on the "EGG" from people whom say that they have this board and are running their Ram @ 2000Mhz and even 2100(ish) so I think that the board does it but the few that claim they can, Don't show proof and I have no way of asking to them to...

OCZ says that this Board will absolutely NOT run Ram at speed of 1850-2000Mhz. Beig that I purchased Ram to clock at speeds of 2000MHz I getting a little discouraged....

Quite a few people say that the Ram will run 2000MHz easy but I can't find anyone with the same hardware that has had success......
Don't wanna burst your bubble but:

When AMD designed the Phenom II, the IMC (NB) was tuned for 1600-1700MHz MAX and tighter timings.
You will probably never get that ram to run at 2000MHz on the AM3 platform. However, you can run it at 1600MHz with tighter timings.

There is one way to beat the IMC limit of about 1700MHz. But it takes will and patience.

My hint: Drive strengths. Tune em, and you can potentially break 1800MHz. I am about to attempt this when I get a new set of ram in a few days. I will not tell you how to tune drive strengths, but I suggest you attempt and play around with them. They are the secret to AM3 ram stability/overclocking.
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Eclipseaudio....

That is only hearsay.... And that's the Controversy.... AMD CPU's CAN run way past 1333. 1333MHz is the "Officially" supported mem speed NOT the Max! That's where everyone is getting confused. So I think that it's either the board or the Ram!

So what I want is PROOF of;

1. This board being able to run at what the MFR says that it can run Ram at (1800oc, 2133oc). If it can With What Ram.

2. The OCZ 2000Mhz Flex EX Ram can Actually Run at the Stated Speed (2000Mhz 8-8-8 @2.0v). If so, What Board and CPU.

3. That AMD CPU's are only limited to 1333Mhz....

All that I keep hearing is that it's the Board or the CPU from OCZ...

And ironically, it's the same persons "opinion" that it's the CPU...

It does even make sense that it's the CPU for one...

On this Board, setting the Mem strap to "1:4" and bumpong the Core Clock for the CPU to 250Mhz from 200 is all that's needed to achive 2000Mhz Ram speeds....

Everyone knows, especially with the DENEB Core that a 50Mhz OC on the Core Clock is a CAKE WALK!

So that in my opinion leads the typical intelligent person to believe that it has to either the Board or Ram. And I would Really like to know which one it is....

OCZ says that the Ram has no problem running at those speeds on other board but THEY have NO proof!

MSI won't even help out with anything that even implies that there is OCing involved... I just find it funny that the Board MFR can't even show proof that this board will run Ram at what they say it can...

Thanks in advance!
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"When AMD designed the Phenom II, the IMC (NB) was tuned for 1600-1700MHz MAX and tighter timings."
"There is one way to beat the IMC limit of about 1700MHz. But it takes will and patience.
My hint: Drive strengths. Tune em, and you can potentially break 1800MHz."


Slappa,

Look at what you just wrote....... I don't think that you could be ANY MORE Contradicting!

I just want proof that the IMC were "Tuned" to 1600-1700. I can boot into Windows and Run my Ram as high as 1840MHz. Not stable though....

So is it jut that the Boards and Ram need to get used to Running at the HIgher speeds? Kind of like Buring them in.......
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"When AMD designed the Phenom II, the IMC (NB) was tuned for 1600-1700MHz MAX and tighter timings."
"There is one way to beat the IMC limit of about 1700MHz. But it takes will and patience.
My hint: Drive strengths. Tune em, and you can potentially break 1800MHz."


Slappa,

Look at what you just wrote....... I don't think that you could be ANY MORE Contradicting!

I just want proof that the IMC were "Tuned" to 1600-1700. I can boot into Windows and Run my Ram as high as 1840MHz. Not stable though....

So is it jut that the Boards and Ram need to get used to Running at the HIgher speeds? Kind of like Buring them in.......
No, it has nothing to do with the memory or the board. It's because Phenom II has an Integrated Memory Controller on the actual CPU! I've gone through 2 ram kits and 2 motherboards with the same result...

Aim for tight timings with high northbridge speed and it will make you a happy camper.
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You all sound like ROBOTS! No offense but if the Scientist of the World were like you everyone that kepps SAYING that it's the IMC on the CPU. We would all still be drving a horse and carage while lighting Laterns at night.....LOL

Show me the documentation that states that "Tha AMD IMC can only run Ram speeds of upto 1700MHz"

That DOESN'T even make sense! If that WAS true, then I wouldn't be able to boot into windows and run my computer while at 1840Mhz....
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You all sound like ROBOTS! No offense but if the Scientist of the World were like you everyone that kepps SAYING that it's the IMC on the CPU. We would all still be drving a horse and carage while lighting Laterns at night.....LOL

Show me the documentation that states that "Tha AMD IMC can only run Ram speeds of upto 1700MHz"

That DOESN'T even make sense! If that WAS true, then I wouldn't be able to boot into windows and run my computer while at 1840Mhz....
We're talking stable here.. You can do anything you want but if it is not stable throw it out the window. Listen to what we are saying, I don't know how to make you understand anymore than what has already been said. If you think we're lying just go to another forum and cry on their about getting faster memory frequency. AM3 CPU's only officially support 1333mhz.

Granted, every IMC is different and each processor will fare differently. Most seem to top out at 1700mhz or w/e the number is but I have an unlucky one that can only do about 1400mhz.

Why don't you show me some documentation that says AMD processors support above 1600mhz??? Maybe then you would have a reason to complain

Here is quote from AMD:
Quote:
Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2 8500(DDR2-1066MHz) and PC3 10600 (DDR3-1333MHz) – AM3
edit: I forgot to mention high rated 2x2gb kits of ddr3 (2000mhz+) were designed for the LGA775 socket, not AM3. They don't have integrated memory controller hence can usually attain a higher speed.
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Officially Supported... Look up the Deffinition please....

I never sad that there WAS Proof. I asked for proof from those Claiming so strongly that the CPU's can't!

1400Mhz, maybe you have not figured out how to get to 1600 yet.... Have you ever thought about that?
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Once again LOOK at the Situation before you type....

So according to that QUOTE, which by the way I've already discovered a long time ago, NO One would be able to Run Ram over that speed, Stably!?

CORRECT? Think outsie of the OEM Box Brother!

"edit: I forgot to mention high rated 2x2gb kits of ddr3 (2000mhz+) were designed for the LGA775 socket, not AM3. They don't have integrated memory controller hence can usually attain a higher speed."

Once again, Show me the documentation on that one! lol

I don't think that you're lying... I think that the phrase "Plausible Deniablility" Fits perfect to describe you and everyone else who says what you're saying...

You simply, don't really know...
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Once again LOOK at the Situation before you type....

So according to that QUOTE, which by the way I've already discovered a long time ago, NO One would be able to Run Ram over that speed, Stably!?

CORRECT? Think outsie of the OEM Box Brother!
Why does it matter?? Who knows, maybe the new batches of Phenom II will have great memory controllers and clock much better. What the hell do you mean "think outsie of the OEM Box Brother!"?? I'm not thinking inside any box. Every CPU will fare differently with clocking memory. I'm not even sure what you're asking anymore.

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"edit: I forgot to mention high rated 2x2gb kits of ddr3 (2000mhz+) were designed for the LGA775 socket, not AM3. They don't have integrated Fmemory controller hence can usually attain a higher speed."

Once again, Show me the documentation on that one! lol
Most of the kits were released before AM3 even came out...

ITT someone mad they over-payed for some 2000mhz memory and can't get anywhere close to that so they look for a random scapegoat. Let's blame AMD because I'm too dumb to research anything



Peace bro, now get out of the MSI motherboard thread and make your own in AMD Memory or something. This isn't the Mastiffman complain thread, it's the MSI 790FX-GD70 Owners Club.
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Well than act like owner and not *****!!! What's the matter, is your head starting to hurt from thinking????

Anyway, what's point of a thread in forum anyway? To talk and learn! Obviously one can't learn from someone whom is not intelligent enough to discuss something... If you can't comprehind the subject then don't reply.

Don't just reply to "try" and make some feel small... THAT shows just how unintelligent you seem and could very well possibly be! Or would you understand better if I gave you a banana instead....
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