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well i have them stable at 1600Mhz now, ill give more detail later. However were golden let it run all night and im not locked up. So now we can do some OC'n like were suppose to.

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If i order it expect some ln2 runs by Tuesday. Supposed to get some nasty weather so I don't expect to get them in a timely fashion.

Expecting around 185-190k 3dmark03 and around 37k 06. I hope I can crack over 36k for vantage. I have a 32k vantage right now with 3 5870's with the 955. So I'm really, really excited to see what numbers a 4th 5870 can muster. Only board I have that can run that many is the gd-70 =o)~. I hope it clocks as nice as my ud5 on ln2. I have about 20 Liters left now. Then again, another 35-40 dollars and a Tuesday should fill me up.
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Yes, I like it more so far! I just hope that it stays this way and doens't degrade at all... I'm not going to be using anything better than water...



Remember that the HTSF Error is due to not enough volts. Typically for the CPU or CPU-NB itself! Howe long is it taking in the OS before you get this error?



No offense but your statement above is incorrect... these are dual channel systems and Connot be switched between Dual and Single Channel Mode Unless you physicaly put them in single channel config on the motherboard.

Ganged is more for Single THREAD apps needing more bandwidth being that Ganged allows both Memory domains to be seen as one 128bit interface. Unganged is better for Multitasking on an enthusiasts level (i.e. Needing the power for MULTIPLE Threads...)

The Only reason that the Everest Benchmarks are better in ganged is because Everest and it's Benchmarks are a single threaded app...

This paragraph Explains it... Quoted by "M_S" over at lostcircuits.com



Just want to make sure that we're offering the correct info...

DJSPOCK3030,

Two things....

1. Sorry bud, I may not have been clear, but you need to change the CPU-NB Voltage NOT the "CPU-NB VDD Voltage" Try Setting the VDD Voltage for the CPU-NB back to "Auto" and then change the CPU-NB Voltage to 1.25v-1.30V (Stock voltage fro the PhenomII CPU-NB is 1.15-1.3v so you're inthe safe zone)

2. You stated this, which I din't know... I thought that you had the Full or OEM disk...


Quite a few of the Upgrade Disks were having this issue, so you may just have a poopy Win7 Upgrade disk. It was all over the internet when the upgrade disks were released...

Just a thought!?
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If i order it expect some ln2 runs by Tuesday. Supposed to get some nasty weather so I don't expect to get them in a timely fashion.

Expecting around 185-190k 3dmark03 and around 37k 06. I hope I can crack over 36k for vantage. I have a 32k vantage right now with 3 5870's with the 955. So I'm really, really excited to see what numbers a 4th 5870 can muster. Only board I have that can run that many is the gd-70 =o)~. I hope it clocks as nice as my ud5 on ln2. I have about 20 Liters left now. Then again, another 35-40 dollars and a Tuesday should fill me up.
i want you to wait for the MSI Lighting and LN2 that bad boy to see how high you can get on a single card
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Well I'm back up and Running with Tuniq TX-3 TIM on everything... I'm surprised to say that at the same settings prior to replacing the AS5 with the TX-3, the TX-3 has further dropped My MN Chipset Temps an additional 2*C and my CPU down an additional 1*C. I haven't Put a load on her yet. She's been running at idle and surfing for about 10+ Minutes now with no change in temps....

Oh! Dear I am quite depressed after I saw your temperatures... 39*C ???

Could you tell me (because I am going to reaplly this TIM once again) - have you tried to change this "pink bubble gum" on the NB to AS 5 ? ... and then you put TX-3?

I have definitelly done something wrong! This is the list:
- too much of Arctic Silver 5 applied on NB (how thick (thin) this layer should be...? should it be transparent ... I mean should I be able to see NB and numbers on it?

- there is not much pressure on HS and NB - should I put additional washers (to increase pressure on NB? - you know I don't want to "smash" NB chipset ...

- do you really think that if I change my AS 5 for TX-3 - that would be some enormous temp dropdown ? Maybe I should order one TX-3 ?

I would be very grateful if you could give me some hints with this "irritating temperatures issue" ;>

BTW! I got 69 (that's the minimum temp for NB but only when I use Max Power Saving in Green Power Center II) for max load the temp is 82*C Gosh!!!! why meee???
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Oh! Dear I am quite depressed after I saw your temperatures... 39*C ???

Could you tell me (because I am going to reaplly this TIM once again) - have you tried to change this "pink bubble gum" on the NB to AS 5 ? ... and then you put TX-3?

I have definitelly done something wrong! This is the list:
- too much of Arctic Silver 5 applied on NB (how thick (thin) this layer should be...? should it be transparent ... I mean should I be able to see NB and numbers on it?

- there is not much pressure on HS and NB - should I put additional washers (to increase pressure on NB? - you know I don't want to "smash" NB chipset ...

- do you really think that if I change my AS 5 for TX-3 - that would be some enormous temp dropdown ? Maybe I should order one TX-3 ?

I would be very grateful if you could give me some hints with this "irritating temperatures issue" ;>

BTW! I got 69 (that's the minimum temp for NB but only when I use Max Power Saving in Green Power Center II) for max load the temp is 82*C Gosh!!!! why meee???
There should be a very minimal difference between different TIM's, maybe a degree or two.

Ok, it sounds like you are not getting a good seat on the chipset. I would remove the heatsink, clean off the old stuff, make sure it is perfectly clean. I used my thumb rubbing it over the surfaces to 'slide' the pink goo off, and then I used alcohol wipes to finish clean the surfaces. Then I applied TIM (OCZ Freeze for me) and re-installed the heatsink, tightening the screws for a "good_snug" fit. Don't crank them down, but tighten them. As I like to say, "Don't magilla-gorilla tighten it!", good and snug should suffice.

If you are not getting a good seat, if it is not making good contact, you will have way high temps.

As to how much TIM to use, it should be a very small amount, 1/5 of a grain of rice, or less even, it's a very small chip, you don't need much at all. Maybe 1/5th of what you would use on a cpu, or less.

Too much TIM is not a good thing, too little is almost better.

I would do a check on the seating on that chip before applying TIM, try to see if you are getting good contact with the chip. And when you do put it back together, I would suggest getting all the screws on loosely, and tightening the NB screws first, then tighten up the other 4.

Marc

EDIT: BTW, has everyone seen that Catalyst 10.1 official is out?
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Oh! Dear I am quite depressed after I saw your temperatures... 39*C ???

Could you tell me (because I am going to reaplly this TIM once again) - have you tried to change this "pink bubble gum" on the NB to AS 5 ? ... and then you put TX-3?

I have definitelly done something wrong! This is the list:
- too much of Arctic Silver 5 applied on NB (how thick (thin) this layer should be...? should it be transparent ... I mean should I be able to see NB and numbers on it?

- there is not much pressure on HS and NB - should I put additional washers (to increase pressure on NB? - you know I don't want to "smash" NB chipset ...

- do you really think that if I change my AS 5 for TX-3 - that would be some enormous temp dropdown ? Maybe I should order one TX-3 ?

I would be very grateful if you could give me some hints with this "irritating temperatures issue" ;>

BTW! I got 69 (that's the minimum temp for NB but only when I use Max Power Saving in Green Power Center II) for max load the temp is 82*C Gosh!!!! why meee???
I think that you have a bad seat for sure. If you look at the amount of TIM that you would put on a CPU, make it the Same inproportion to the Chipset Chips... So just a little dot in the middle.

Tip on how to check if the Whole Heat sinks and pipe are straight:
Press the MOSFET/NB Section of the HS up against a mirror and check to see if all of the screw posts are touching evenly without putting ANY pressure on the SB HS. This will tell you if the Heat Pipe it tweaked a bit. I'm willing to bet that it is. Make sure that it's a Solid mirror as well. Not one of those Door hangable mirrors that flex...
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I've noticed something with my overclocking and testing, I wonder if anyone else has observed this.

I use IntelBurn and run high setting for 25 runs to check stability. I've never had an overclock crash/freeze or anything after passing, including gaming, so it's ok for me, and it's very quick compared to Blend, about 25 mins total time to run it.

But, what I've started to notice is this:

IntelBurn provides a 'speed' to the tests, and it is listed in GFlops, as well as seconds to complete each test.

I've noticed that on the edge of instability the GFlops are low, and if I get the volts up a notch, they seem to increase to an expected range.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly which voltage is contributing to this, but I'll give you an example.

I had 3.9, 2.6 and 1600 on my overclock, and it would come to about 50 GFlops, I increased the fsb to 206 to get 3914, 2678 and 1648, yet even with a slight bump in some of the volts, it was giving me about 45 GFlops (higher speeds on all, too, which I would expect to be more GFlops), so I increased all the voltages (CPU, CPU-NB and RAM) and it came back up to about 51 GFlops, yet the previous voltages didn't crash, or fail.

So, it seems that IntelBurn is giving me a 'warning' almost as to the fact that my overclock, might be 'more' stable with a touch more volts somewhere, I'm just trying to figure out which one, or ones, are the most contributing.

I'll update if/when I can figure this out more specifically.

Marc
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Ah.. Good! I just wanted to get that out there.

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I've noticed something with my overclocking and testing, I wonder if anyone else has observed this.

I use IntelBurn and run high setting for 25 runs to check stability. I've never had an overclock crash/freeze or anything after passing, including gaming, so it's ok for me, and it's very quick compared to Blend, about 25 mins total time to run it.

But, what I've started to notice is this:

IntelBurn provides a 'speed' to the tests, and it is listed in GFlops, as well as seconds to complete each test.

I've noticed that on the edge of instability the GFlops are low, and if I get the volts up a notch, they seem to increase to an expected range.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly which voltage is contributing to this, but I'll give you an example.

I had 3.9, 2.6 and 1600 on my overclock, and it would come to about 50 GFlops, I increased the fsb to 206 to get 3914, 2678 and 1648, yet even with a slight bump in some of the volts, it was giving me about 45 GFlops (higher speeds on all, too, which I would expect to be more GFlops), so I increased all the voltages (CPU, CPU-NB and RAM) and it came back up to about 51 GFlops, yet the previous voltages didn't crash, or fail.

So, it seems that IntelBurn is giving me a 'warning' almost as to the fact that my overclock, might be 'more' stable with a touch more volts somewhere, I'm just trying to figure out which one, or ones, are the most contributing.

I'll update if/when I can figure this out more specifically.

Marc
May have already thought of this butyou could try increasing one voltage at a time with a process of elimination... So put them all back to the 3.9,2.6,1.6 @ 50Gflops stable voltages, bump the HTRClk to the 206 then increase the just the CPU first. Retest with Intelburn. If no affect is found. Lower the CPUVolts and use the CPU-NB. Repeat with each components voltage.

If you don't see any results by themselves then I would try combo voltage. If you have CPU, IMC and Ram that were changed, try using the CPU and IMC together first. No results, use the CPU and Ram together. Still nothing, try the IMC and Ram together (Most likely combo if this step is needed.)

You should put a link to the intelburn here if it's that sweet. I'm going to try it now....
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