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To all that have helped me this far, Thanks!
Things I have done to create stability, err instability... recently

- Installed Catalyst 9.12 uninstalled 10.2 verifying with uninstallation of old video drivers with Driver Cleaner Pro 1.5
- rebooted
- set default settings on Motherboard
- Disabled on-board audio
- set everything to auto
- set RAM volatage to 1.65
-booted back into windows
- ran IntelBurnTest on Maximum on 5 passes. (it only made 2 passes and crashed the computer)
- rebooted back into BIOS
- Disabled AMD Cool 'n' Quiet
-Adjusted CPU-NB Ratio to 12X bumping CPU-NB Freq to 2400 (3 x RAM speed of 800 MHz)
- Disabled Unlock CPU Core
- Disabled ACC
- Auto CPU Core Control
- Disabled Auto OverClock
- Disabled MultiStep OC
- Disabled OC Dial
- set RAM to 8-8-8-24-auto-32-auto-auto...
- 2T Memory Timing
- increased DRAM Voltage to 1.67
- Disabled Spread Spectrum
- Disabled C1E Support
- ran IntelBurnTest on Maximum on 5 passes.
- Crashed system again (I notice that my Antivirus, MS security essentials, was trying to update in middle of test
- Moving RAM back to slots 1 and 2 on motherboard.
- Rebooted Windows into Safe Mode (no networking)
- ran IntelBurnTest on Maximum on 5 passes while in Safe Mode and got a Critical Error after 3/5 passes
- Changed BIOS RAM and NB settings back to motherboard's defaults, decreasing RAM voltage to 1.65 and rebooting back into Safe Mode to test RAM again with IntelBurnTest on Maximum on 5 passes.



This is what I have done so far...
What are your temps like,ie idle/load,we need to find out what temps your getting,this will help me a lot,or are you not monitoring them,???
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moorhen2 I had only been monitoring the temp of the system via AMD Overdrive utility. They seem within range. But I just uninstalled the Utility and need to find another temp. utility.

Here is an update to the edit from my quote in your reply:

- Results are successful!
- lowered "HT Link Speed" - x5

So my conclusion is:
Could the AMD Overdrive service be causeing issues when it starts when Windows starts up and doing something to the system?
Could the onboard soundcard be causing issues?
Could my CPU cooling be not effective? (I used the Thermal grease attached to the CPU Cooler)

Does anyone use the AMD OverDrive?
Does anyone use the onboard sound?
Is it worth me pulling the CPU cooler off and applying a better thermal grease than the stock grease?
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moorhen2 I had only been monitoring the temp of the system via AMD Overdrive utility. They seem within range. But I just uninstalled the Utility and need to find another temp. utility.

Here is an update to the edit from my quote in your reply:

- Results are successful!
- lowered "HT Link Speed" - x5

So my conclusion is:
Could the AMD Overdrive service be causeing issues when it starts when Windows starts up and doing something to the system?
Could the onboard soundcard be causing issues?
Could my CPU cooling be not effective? (I used the Thermal grease attached to the CPU Cooler)

Does anyone use the AMD OverDrive?
Does anyone use the onboard sound?
Is it worth me pulling the CPU cooler off and applying a better thermal grease than the stock grease?
Well overdrive is a nice little app,but i would never use it,i am a serious overclocker,and real overclockers use the bios,thats not to say some dont use it.

I use the onboard sound,and i use the drivers in CCC for this,and never had any problems.

So your using the stock HSF,should be good enough if your running at stock frequency,but as soon as you start upping multis and voltages you are going to run into problems,i would be inclined to either get an aftermarket HSF,and use a better TIM.

You mension the HT link speed,this has little bearing on stability,you are better off leaving this at default 2000mhz.

Sorry,just realised your not using the stock HSF,my bad,so re-seating the HSF using a better TIM maybe a good idea,if you do,have a look at the impresion made in the TIM by the HSF/IHS,this will give you an idea of the kind of contact your getting,hope this helps.
Edited by moorhen2 - 3/15/10 at 2:19pm
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moorhen2 here is my temperature screen shot after a failed 2/5 Pass of IntelBurnTest on Maximum. I'm not sure on how to read stability of tempuratures. I am not using the stock heatsink, I am using the Thermaltake TR2 R1 with the grease already applied to the heatsink (not arctic silver).


Edited by JediJosh - 3/15/10 at 2:16pm
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Your temps look reasonable,are you running the chip at stock,and what settings are you using in the bios,ie multi's,voltages,it's never a good idea to leave things on auto,you should at least input the minimum setting for each,most boards will undervolt/overvolt,so i would try giving the cpu voltage a tad more,we need to get your cpu stable first,then we can start thinking about other components.

It will be a long process,but we will get you there,i promise.
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To all that have helped me this far, Thanks!
Things I have done to create stability, err instability... recently


Does anyone use the AMD OverDrive?
Does anyone use the onboard sound?
Is it worth me pulling the CPU cooler off and applying a better thermal grease than the stock grease?
yes to amd overdrive, but wish they got the bugs out of it.
yes to onboard sound, but i sometimes have issues where one or two speakers would crackle very badly that its unplayable and then have to reboot.
and yes to the thermal grease, the factory grease is pretty crappy stuff. You will notice better cooling with new grease and a better cooler.
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moorhen2 et al.
I have made a few changes since last post
- Manually set Adjust CPU Ratio to x14 or 2800 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Manually set Adjust CPU-NB Ratio to x10 or 2000 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Manually set FSB/DRAM Ratio to 1:2.66 or 1066 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Increased the HT Link Speed from x5 to x10 or 2000 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Set CPU Voltage to 1.425v

theghostoftime1978 - I will look at replacing the CPU cooler and thermal grease at a later time, but right now I am trying to get my system stable, and my temperatures aren't that extreme right now.

Are there any other Static voltages that I should set in BIOS?

I also just got an error while booting:
A Hyper Transport sync flood error occured on last boot.
Press F1 to Resumenter Setup Menu, F11 to enter Boot Menu

Edited by JediJosh - 3/15/10 at 6:35pm
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moorhen2 et al.
I have made a few changes since last post
- Manually set Adjust CPU Ratio to x14 or 2800 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Manually set Adjust CPU-NB Ratio to x10 or 2000 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Manually set FSB/DRAM Ratio to 1:2.66 or 1066 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Increased the HT Link Speed from x5 to x10 or 2000 MHz (Auto was set to the same frequency but now I made it static)
- Set CPU Voltage to 1.425v

theghostoftime1978 - I will look at replacing the CPU cooler and thermal grease at a later time, but right now I am trying to get my system stable, and my temperatures aren't that extreme right now.

Are there any other Static voltages that I should set in BIOS?

I also just got an error while booting:
A Hyper Transport sync flood error occured on last boot.
Press F1 to Resumenter Setup Menu, F11 to enter Boot Menu
The Hyper Transport sync flood error is USUALLY caused by the lack of voltage on the CPU-NB voltage, but even at default settings, I never had this problem.

Have you tried running one RAM stick at a time on each one of the slots? You can test for faulty RAM or faulty RAM slots this way.

Problems are a pain in the neck and they take hours and hours to fix, but if you get used to this, you'll be ready to do overclocking. I know I can spend hours trying to get a new/higher setting to become stable.
    
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ah, im not sure if you saw my posts a few pages back or not but i was also getting the hypertransport error on shutdown, startup and even on restart sometimes, after a lot of investigating, i narrowed it down to a corrupt os which was caused by to many failed oc attempts, i also had some ati ccc driver issues aswell when using the 10.? ati drivers, so in the end i just did a fresh install at stock settings and then installed the 9.12 drivers, after doing that my system is back running better than ever.
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moorhen2 I had only been monitoring the temp of the system via AMD Overdrive utility. They seem within range. But I just uninstalled the Utility and need to find another temp. utility.

So my conclusion is:
Could the AMD Overdrive service be causeing issues when it starts when Windows starts up and doing something to the system?
Could the onboard soundcard be causing issues?
Could my CPU cooling be not effective? (I used the Thermal grease attached to the CPU Cooler)
So, JediJosh... like moorhen said I would never use it to overclock my cpu (I am not an experienced user but I had it installed "AOD" and there were a lot of problems with this tool - different voltage values - comparing to these in BIOS, different temperatures !!! - it's just a quite dangerous tool IMO for overclocking)
As for... thermal grease - you could try to use for example: Arctic Silver 5 or Tunix-3 or OCZ Freeze - which I think they have better thermal conductivity, but your temperatures seems fine for me ( but I don't know what should be proper temperatures for Phenom II 720 - less is better

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Does anyone use the AMD OverDrive?
Does anyone use the onboard sound?
Is it worth me pulling the CPU cooler off and applying a better thermal grease than the stock grease?
Like I said - try to set all these settings using only BIOS not AMD OverDrive - that's the best way.
I use onboard sound and for me it works just fine (check if you have - probably you've done this so far) correct driver for your system - Windows 7 Pro but is it 32 bit version or 64 ?

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Well overdrive is a nice little app,but i would never use it,i am a serious overclocker,and real overclockers use the bios,thats not to say some dont use it.
I agree Probably I can't say that I am real overclocker but AMD overdrive isn't just an application for overclocking - that's my opinion.

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I use the onboard sound,and i use the drivers in CCC for this,and never had any problems.
"CCC" ... what does it stand for? ;>

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So your using the stock HSF,should be good enough if your running at stock frequency,but as soon as you start upping multis and voltages you are going to run into problems,i would be inclined to either get an aftermarket HSF,and use a better TIM.
Correct! I don't know about quality of AMD thermal compound it includes to his products but - every little drop of temperatures (if you have your system overclocked) helps - so it's always better to have your CPU cooler - especially when you put it under maximum stress and it's overclocked - generates a lot of heat!
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