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@ pendrago, CCC stands for "catalyst control centre",i use an HDMI monitor,so i use the hdmi sound drivers that come with catalyst drivers,hope this helps.
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@ JediJosh,why are you running your ram on the 1:2 divider,???,your ram is rated at 1600mhz,so you should have it on the 1:4 divider,voltage 1.65v,try using some DDR physical voltage as well,this can help,you will find this option right above the actual ram voltage.

I would also set these voltages manualy as well:

NB voltage 1.24-1.26v (for now),dont cofuse this with CPU-NB voltage.
HT link voltage 1.24-1.26v
SB voltage 1.24-1.26v

See how you get on with these for now.
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@ pendrago, CCC stands for "catalyst control centre",i use an HDMI monitor,so i use the hdmi sound drivers that come with catalyst drivers,hope this helps.
Ok! Well... Got a HDMI monitor aswell now everything is clear for me :>
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Guys!
I have recently found I think very useful and interesting post about RAM timings and about gaining some extra stability.

It doesn't say about MSI 790FX-GD70 board directly but it says about an option that there is actually in BIOS of "our" board.

How to: Clock Skew Can Save Your Overclock And Memory <-- here it is.

So, I had a quick look in bios and found "DQS Drive Strength", so it's very similar to DFI mobos "DQS Skew Control" though it has different settings.

Now in MSI board we have 5 options to choose: Auto, 0.75x, 1.0x, 1.25x and 1.50x ... and now it is hard to say which option does actually "Increase Skew†(speed up clock - decrease setup/holdtime) - is it 1.25x or 0.75x?

What we need is to "Decrease Skew†(slow down clock - increase setup/hold time) to make RAM more stable - am I wrong?

What do you think about it?
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Guys!
I have recently found I think very useful and interesting post about RAM timings and about gaining some extra stability.

It doesn't say about MSI 790FX-GD70 board directly but it says about an option that there is actually in BIOS of "our" board.

How to: Clock Skew Can Save Your Overclock And Memory <-- here it is.

So, I had a quick look in bios and found "DQS Drive Strength", so it's very similar to DFI mobos "DQS Skew Control" though it has different settings.

Now in MSI board we have 5 options to choose: Auto, 0.75x, 1.0x, 1.25x and 1.50x ... and now it is hard to say which option does actually "Increase Skew†(speed up clock - decrease setup/holdtime) - is it 1.25x or 0.75x?

What we need is to "Decrease Skew†(slow down clock - increase setup/hold time) to make RAM more stable - am I wrong?

What do you think about it?
I would'nt start messing with these adjustments,there are several options in there that also use the same values as you mentioned above,ie CKE drive strength,CS/ODT drive strength,ADDR/CMD,etc etc,unless you are an memory expert,you will only cause problems when playing with these.
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I would'nt start messing with these adjustments,there are several options in there that also use the same values as you mentioned above,ie CKE drive strength,CS/ODT drive strength,ADDR/CMD,etc etc,unless you are an memory expert,you will only cause problems when playing with these.
Well I know but... how can I gain the knowledge??? We have to experiment to finally know the truth, don't we? It's the true nature of overclocking ... am I right? That's why I want to know what does it mean? ... BTW! It's strange that MSI didn't support users of this board with full user manual... with complete explanations about all of this mobo functions and settings ... very strange!!!
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A little off topic from the current conversation, but I've noticed something with the bios's that isn't necessarily new, but not something I've seen talked about here in this thread yet.

I've started noticing instability where there never was instability, and the cure has been more volts, mainly to the CPU & CPU-NB. It has gone from 1.505 for 4 Ghz to 1.535. And the CPU-NB has needed more volts as well. I had been thinking that my chip was acting weird, maybe going bad, whatever, but now I know it was the different bios's.

I noticed this because gaming with settings I had always used without issue started freezing/locking up.

The long story short is that the 1.10x beta bios's I had been using (I tried 1.102 and 1.105) were the culprit. I believe I also noticed a need for increased volts with either 1.8, 1.9 or both.

I have flashed back to 1.7 official, and sure enough, the volts dropped back down to where they had been when I first got this chip.

So, it appears that some of these later beta bios's are not as overclock friendly as some of the earlier officials. And I can say that 1.7 official is the most overclock friendly that I have used, volts are down at least 30mV, and the core temps have dropped about 3-5 degrees.

Will update if I notice anything else specific about this.

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Hi Marc,for me it's the other way round,i need less cpu/cpu-nb voltage for the same frequencies,i only need 1.46v for 4050mhz on the cpu,and 1.36v for the cpu-nb @2700mhz,which is less than i had to use before for the same overclock.Strange.

Then again,if i go up to 4.1ghz,i need quite a bit more on the cpu voltage.


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A little off topic from the current conversation, but I've noticed something with the bios's that isn't necessarily new, but not something I've seen talked about here in this thread yet.

I've started noticing instability where there never was instability, and the cure has been more volts, mainly to the CPU & CPU-NB. It has gone from 1.505 for 4 Ghz to 1.535. And the CPU-NB has needed more volts as well. I had been thinking that my chip was acting weird, maybe going bad, whatever, but now I know it was the different bios's.

I noticed this because gaming with settings I had always used without issue started freezing/locking up.

The long story short is that the 1.10x beta bios's I had been using (I tried 1.102 and 1.105) were the culprit. I believe I also noticed a need for increased volts with either 1.8, 1.9 or both.

I have flashed back to 1.7 official, and sure enough, the volts dropped back down to where they had been when I first got this chip.

So, it appears that some of these later beta bios's are not as overclock friendly as some of the earlier officials. And I can say that 1.7 official is the most overclock friendly that I have used, volts are down at least 30mV, and the core temps have dropped about 3-5 degrees.

Will update if I notice anything else specific about this.

Marc


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Hi Marc,for me it's the other way round,i need less cpu/cpu-nb voltage for the same frequencies,i only need 1.46v for 4050mhz on the cpu,and 1.36v for the cpu-nb @2700mhz,which is less than i had to use before for the same overclock.Strange.

Then again,if i go up to 4.1ghz,i need quite a bit more on the cpu voltage.


Hmmm this might explain why i have had to change some of my overclocks up since i started continuously updating my bios...then again it could just be a placebo effect on my end

I am going to RMA my second GD70 soon...
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I can't decide between this board and the new gigabyte board. Boo.
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