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i have 2 hd 5770's though. i just cant believe going from air to water would make the temp go up like that. i have a couple ideas though. gonna keep working on it.
It makes total sense. The heatsink was designed to work in conjunction with an air cooler moving air across it. When eliminated the air cooler you eliminated the air moving across it. Temps go up.
    
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It makes total sense. The heatsink was designed to work in conjunction with an air cooler moving air across it. When eliminated the air cooler you eliminated the air moving across it. Temps go up.
with the megahalems it was partially covered and i had a 40mm fan on it. with water it is wide open with a bigger fan on it and im useing the same fans from the mega on one of the radiators in a push/pull configuration. i just added 2 40cfm fans to the side window and it dropped it down 2c. i now have 10 fans in hooked up.
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Heads up to all MSI motherboard owners that Have/ Will be RMA'd/ing an MSI motherboard or have Registered their product through MSI in some way. This will be sent out soon if you haven't alreay received it.....

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The MSI-forum and MSI-support team are fed-up with explaining you what can be found in the manual.
I mean, come on, how hard is it to read a manual?

They are printed on paper so you see them.

We have been talking to MSI for a couple of years and came up with a solution.
It has been implemented on a few boards for some time and with big success.
It had various names, like CoreCenter (1st gathering tool) upto DrMOS (fully automatic)

Some of you noticed because Windows wanted you to install a driver, but you couldn't find the manufacturer.
On AMD systems this was called the Away-driver.

What you didn't know is this, this driver activates the RTFM-chip. (Re-Turn inFormation to Manufacturer chip)
It means it can detect if you read a manual as well stores the parameters you have set in the BIOS.
As soon as you start Windows we are informed about your settings and manual readings.

As we have been monitoring peoples behavior for some time and combined those with the RMA information from returned boards.
At the same time monitoring questions on the forum and matched the IP's.
We have made a discovery.

A lot of RMA is unneeded and unwanted, many happens due to user mistakes, numbers show that 90% of the RMA is OC people killing boards and
newbies connecting the wrong connectors or insert parts that should not be inserted.
Or simply forget to remove standoffs or CPU-power.
MSI plans on tackles those numbers, and the RTFM-chip will give a readout of what you have done when it did post or attempted to post!

Checking on you isn't new, Homeland-security done this ever you installed XP-SP3 or above, but their info in encrypted so useless to MSI.
So MSI decided to ban people from support, RMA and the forum who has done the damage themselves or didn't read the manual the first of next month.
We know who you are, and we have gathered enough information via our RTFM-chip.

The only question is, should MSI continue to do this? As some information is real bad.
Will this hurt your relation towards MSI products?

Please let us know, as we have to talk to MSI management the first of next month and make them decide what to do with the information.

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So how is a RTFM chip gonna know if I've chosen to read the paper manual and not the pdf? Also if 90% of MOBO deaths are caused by OC and Newbie mistakes why have a bios that's so damn complex? Why not dumb it down a little and hardcode limits to prevent failure in the first place. My board which is only the third board I've ever owned and currently is in RMA being shipped back to me died for no apparent reason. All I did to OC it was bump the multiplier and cpu voltage. I ran everything else on auto. I did change out the NB TIM, but the temp was definitely in line with specs. Idle at 50c load at 61c. So why did my board die? Sounds to like everything else going to **** in this world. Big Money is taking over and the little guy can **** off.

You can be sure this will affect my loyalty towards MSI. I bought MSI in the first place because I was unable to kill my first MSI board despite being a dumbass and it still lives to this day, but if they're going to take this route I'll buy another brand for my next build and while there are a lot of users who haven't had any trouble with the GD-70 there are many who have. Like one reviewer of a MSI board said on Newegg "it's like a coin toss. You either get one that works with no problems or you get one thats junk" I paraphrased the quote, but it seems like that's the way it is with all manufacturers now days. So what do you do?
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Heads up to all MSI motherboard owners that Have/ Will be RMA'd/ing an MSI motherboard or have Registered their product through MSI in some way. This will be sent out soon if you haven't alreay received it.....
Really a RTFM (read the f****** manual) chip Personally this sounds like BS to me.

BTW this thing has gone viral which really makes me LOL. I highly doubt that this is true, sounds more like a disgruntled employee.
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what does black screen mean? i keep getting it on my wife's pc while running prime blend. its the same setup as mine with a 955 instead of 965. oc'd to 3.8ghz. it goes black then reboots.
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not enough cpu voltage.
    
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Have you bought this fan holder? I mean the one which is placed in HDD cage or have you made it by yourself?

I was looking for high speed fans ... and these Yate Loon (I hear about them for the first time seem to be just fine for my needs. (thought about Scythe Kaze Maru 140 mm fans 1900 RPM) to install them at the bottom and top of my case to make something like a "twister" inside but I couldn't buy them anywhere.

nice pictures


So, what are your CPU temp now in idle and under load with this configuration?

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BTW! Mastiffman
I tested my MAX FSB and it turned out that 360 MHz so it's not so bad I think
For my fan holder, it actually came with my Antec 902 and they clip right on the HDD cases,though I'm sure there are holders for your case/manufacturer.

For the Yate Loon fans, I bought them off xoxide.com for $3.99 each. They are rated 90 CFM, though they do run a bit loud (high 30sdB). Very decent set of fans for only 4 bucks each. I highly recommend them if you don't mind them being slightly noisy.

My temps are rather weird. I'm just running my CPU @ stock clock of 3.2ghz, but with 1.247V, instead of the normal 1.35V until the AS-5 cures. I get idle temps of 31-32°C with 1.247V, but when I used 1.35V, I ended up getting idle temps of 32-33°C. Load temps (Prime95 small FFTS) at 1.247V, result in 38°C and for 1.35V, I think it was around 41-43°C. It's only been 3 days since I applied the AS-5, so temps should drop a few °C within the next week.

360 is a really nice HT ref clock OC. The highest I can bring mine is 347, though I can try for 348 and I'll get a 40% chance for it to boot up and run.

Oh, also when doing the wind tunnel configuration, I noticed the max RPM of my fans went up by 100RPM. The stock SM2 fan only runs a max of 1300RPM, but now it runs 1400 and my Yate Loon fans run a max of 2000RPM, but go up to 2133RPM.
    
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Heads up to all MSI motherboard owners that Have/ Will be RMA'd/ing an MSI motherboard or have Registered their product through MSI in some way. This will be sent out soon if you haven't alreay received it.....
Just got this email..

I find it a little snobby.
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I am of the opinion that no manufacturer should not have to repair/replace items of hardware if they have been misused,ie overclocked,as this voids any warranty,we all know that overclocking our hardware is done at our own risk,just like i warn users about using "beta"bios's,you do so at your own risk,if you brick your board doing so,then it's hard luck.

An example,"my board wont run my cpu at 4ghz,i am going to RMA it".If an item developes a genuine fault,then most manufacturers will replace/repair it,but you cant expect them to do the same for putting 2v through your cpu,or 4v through your ram,it should always be "do so at your own risk".

Please,this is not anything to do with the post by Mastiffman,just a general observation,i got the same e-mail as well.
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