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Is there any possibility that the CPU IMC or MB is the culprit if I have to raise the voltage of my memory to get my machine to run stable at 1600mhz?

I had not been able to get my machine to run stable with the memory set at the manufacturer specified 1.65v @ 1600mhz. I finally just set the DDR voltage to 1.67v and now the machine will actually do a blend test within Prime95 rather than locking up immediately.

The memory passed a 24 test with memtest86+, so I'm unsure if that means the CPU IMC is having issue. Would the memory voltage have any affect on the IMC performance or would that just indicate the memory is the issue?

I'm trying to decided if I should RMA this memory since it will not run at it's specified voltage, but I don't know if 0.02v is withing acceptable tolerance range. What happens if I start to OC the CPU, will I have to keep bumping the DDR voltage up even more than usual?
There are many factors to take into consideration when suffering stability problems,you may have to give the CPU-NB aka the IMC a bit more voltage and frequency for the ram to run stable at 1600mhz,if your IMC is a bit on the weak side using more CPU-NB and DRAM voltage will help the IMC out.

And no,you wont have to worry about ram voltage when you start to oc the cpu,you would only have to worry about that if you want to overclock via the HTT/FSB,as doing so automaticaly raises the memory frequency and HT link speed.
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There are many factors to take into consideration when suffering stability problems,you may have to give the CPU-NB aka the IMC a bit more voltage and frequency for the ram to run stable at 1600mhz,if your IMC is a bit on the weak side using mor CPU-NB and DRAM voltage will help the IMC out.
What is the default CPU-NB Voltage? I would like to increase just the CPU-NB voltage and see if I can get the memory stable without increasing the memory voltage.

Should I even mess with the CPU-NB voltage if increasing the DDR Voltage by 0.02 makes it stable?
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What is the default CPU-NB Voltage? I would like to increase just the CPU-NB voltage and see if I can get the memory stable without increasing the memory voltage.

Should I even mess with the CPU-NB voltage if increasing the DDR Voltage by 0.02 makes it stable?
If it's stable at just an increase in voltage of 0.02v,this is well within tolerance,dont be frightened to give things a tad more juice,example,my ram is rated at 1600mhz @1.65v,but i run it @1800mhz,but it needs 1.79v for stability,i would'nt advise this with your ram,but you get my point.

If your CPU-NB voltage is on auto,it will be running at it's default voltage,that is if your not using the VDD voltages,if you are,then it will depend on the CPU-NB VDD voltage.
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If it's stable at just an increase in voltage of 0.02v,this is well within tolerance,dont be frightened to give things a tad more juice,example,my ram is rated at 1600mhz @1.65v,but i run it @1800mhz,but it needs 1.79v for stability,i would'nt advise this with your ram,but you get my point.

If your CPU-NB voltage is on auto,it will be running at it's default voltage,that is if your not using the VDD voltages,if you are,then it will depend on the CPU-NB VDD voltage.
I haven't messed with anything other than the DDR Voltage. I don't even know what the default CPU (955) voltages are, so I don't know where to start from.
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I haven't messed with anything other than the DDR Voltage. I don't even know what the default CPU (955) voltages are, so I don't know where to start from.
Default voltage for the 955 c3 is 0.850v-1.400v,these are the bios settings i use for 4.1ghz-4.2ghz on my 965 c3,dont copy them though,it's just to give you an idea and a refference point:You will need a lot less settings wise.



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I have 3 drives and it does it on every single one, even my new 1TB WD drive I just bought. I dont know what it could be?
I would try bumping the SB Voltage a bit. Try 1.25v (stock is 1.20v) This is because the Southbridge handles the SATA connections and BUSes for the MB. Also, do you have a fresh install on the Main Partition/ Drive? This can lead to issues as well. Just a thought.

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so my nb (2800) temps just kept getting higher and higher. it was at 75c and i decided to go back to my air cooler setup and reapply tim. now im at 43c idle and 50c load. my cpu temp is 53c load. room temp is 22c. im gonna get a couple water blocks for the nb and sb. any ideas on which ones i should get. i was looking at the koolance stuff but it seems to be universal and i'd kinda prefer something made for this board.
The 2800mhz Freq that you are referring to here represents the speed of CPU-NB and the speed at which the L3 cache operates, Not the NB chipset. The NB temperature that you are seeing is for the NB Chipset on the Motherboard. Many of us have created lower operating temps for the NB Chipset by removing the NB/MOSFET/SB Heatsink and replacing the TIM(Termal Interface Material) with AS5 or something comparable.

At this point (I have checked on this subject in a couple months) Koolance offers the best combo in my Opinion. Unless you want to order out of country. Contact "mduclow" as he has the info on that setup.

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Mid 70s maybe on the NB but your cpu should load out 55 tops. You should get better cooling.
Defintely agree on the better cooling. The Cooler the better. AMD States that the "Max Operating Temperature" is "62*C" for the PhenomII Chip. THAT only means that they don't gaurantee stability Past That. IIRC, although not a good idea by far, in ANY case, most AMD chips will handle temps past that for Very Short Periods of time. Once again, IIRC, AMD cpu's are engineered to throttle back when temps reach above the 62*C up to 70*C. once again, NOT a good idea to try this. One will fry a chip from to high of volts at lower temps (circuit degradation) before frying a chip from temps... Although both will cause quite a bit of degradation, quickly.

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This is your problem,PH2's run in dual channel,so you need 2 sticks per channel,to be honest 4gig of memory is plenty,more than this is wasted,but thats 4gig using 2x 2gig.Just my opinion.
That's kind of a misleading comment. The configuration of the Ram in which DIMM Slots in the Motherboard decides whether or not the Ram will run in Dual Channel Mode or Single Channel.

If someone chooses to run their system with a SSD Hard Drive and installs a 32bit OS, more than 4Gb can be utilized to increase system performance in a different way. On 32bit OSes the max "Supported" Ram untilized by the OS is 4Gb of Ram. So if one installs MORE Than 4Gb they can assign the rest (Above 4Gb Block) of the Ram to be used as System Cache which can dramatically increase Responsiveness.

So, IN the Case that someone is Running a SSD, with a 32bit OS, OVER 4Gb of Ram can be Very useful if Configured Correctly!

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What about the ACC and unlock CPU core? Do you guys use that at all and if so could u give some details? I am having the same problem, I can overclock it to 3.816 and it is like 80% stable, if I stress test it it crashes in like 15 or so seconds. I have the Rev C2. I do have the stock fan and my idle temp is around 47 so so and when I do the stress test it crashes around 60 to 63. It that normal? I see some of u guys go up to like the mid 70's
Thanks
ACC is is made for CPU's with Unlocked Multipliers. This "Can" be useful once you've found the max Stable Frequency's for all of you cores at once. This means that IF you find that any given core is failing Past a certain frequency, not matter how much voltage you give, this can "Potentially" help you to overcome that threshold. If you would like to increase all of your cores again past the max stable that you've found, set the ACC to "Per Core" and Apply the "+" %'s (Only as much as is needed) to the core(s) that are failing first and this, in some cases, will aid in stability Past the max Frequency that you previously found.

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oh no doubt im just going over board my last pc was such a POS it still had rambus ram. now the VA is paying me to go to college so im going all out

im not sure I understand the board I switched from I only had 2gb of ddr2 in a 1x2gb config and I ran stable at 4ghz.

also is there a good set of waterblocks for this board? I'm ordering a EK-FC5870
for my video and it would be way easier to plumb at at once (and cheaper)
As previously stated Koolance can provide a decent and somewhat stylish and matching set of blocks for this motherboard. As long as you don't mind Completely polished Water Blocks.

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haha no worries moorhen! you are right it is an entry lvl and really if you dont have the Thermaltake spedo case OR a case that you have opened above the drive bay its really not that great at removing heat. im changing out the pump to a higher flow and a bigger reservoir but the radiator is pretty good and i added a TMG1 so it really has no problems keeping the cpu nice and cool but im doing the BIG upgrades this month, summers in Florida are hell.

i will try my ram in a blue slot but i cant use "ganged" you have to have 2 sticks and thats not till next month
Changing from Unganged to Ganged can increase stablility when OCing Ram. So if you're not OCing your Ram I wouldn't suggest adjusting that option. It will hinder performance when multi-tasking as Ganged mode is aimed to operate in a Single app computing environment. AS it links puts the Memory Controller into single 128bit Domain mode.

I don't ever recall hearing or reading that one cannot use Ganged Mode if only having 1 DIMM installed as Ganged or Unganged pertains to the Operating mode of the CPU-NB (Integrate Memory Controller).

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The CPU VDD isa little higher than CPU and the CPU NB VDD is on Auto. Memory is at 1.65v as rated.
I wouldn't touch the VDD's at all as they have only increased instability on my board with Both of my PhenomII Chips. "CPU/ CPU-NB Voltages" will provide the best current to the both interfaces.

I have found that with both sets of DDR3 Memory that I have (one Rated for 1600 CAS8 @ 1.65v and the other is rated 2000 CAS8 @ 2.0v-BOTH 4Gb kits), running them at 1600mhz or more needs 1.20v on the NB Chipset and 1.25v on the Ht Link Voltage. Stock Voltage for the PhenomII CPU-NB is, per AMD, within 1.15v to 1.30v. Any normal quality chip should be able to run the CPU-NB upto 2600Mhz with Ram @ 1600mhz. Just may need a little above stock voltages in other areas. (DRam and Potentially the NB Chipset, HT Link)

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Is there any possibility that the CPU IMC or MB is the culprit if I have to raise the voltage of my memory to get my machine to run stable at 1600mhz?
I had not been able to get my machine to run stable with the memory set at the manufacturer specified 1.65v @ 1600mhz. I finally just set the DDR voltage to 1.67v and now the machine will actually do a blend test within Prime95 rather than locking up immediately.

The memory passed a 24 test with memtest86+, so I'm unsure if that means the CPU IMC is having issue. Would the memory voltage have any affect on the IMC performance or would that just indicate the memory is the issue?

I'm trying to decided if I should RMA this memory since it will not run at it's specified voltage, but I don't know if 0.02v is withing acceptable tolerance range. What happens if I start to OC the CPU, will I have to keep bumping the DDR voltage up even more than usual?
Anything is possible. But as far as needing an increase for stability, to the DRam Voltage.... The Dram voltage (at least on this board but I have experienced it on others as well) is an Auxilary Voltage for the IMC(CPU-NB) So yes it can have a slight affect on the IMC. But the CPU DDR-PHY And DRam Ref Voltages can both play a part in stabilizing the Ram... You just have to play with them one at a time, stressing them between each adjustment to find out what works best and at whcih combination. EVERY system is Different! Bottom Line!! What works on One system may not work on another system with the Same Exact Components! This is why any info given on any forum should Only be taken as general advice from others experiences with the same or similar components....

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What is the default CPU-NB Voltage? I would like to increase just the CPU-NB voltage and see if I can get the memory stable without increasing the memory voltage.

Should I even mess with the CPU-NB voltage if increasing the DDR Voltage by 0.02 makes it stable?
Try Both, one at a time. Stock CPU-NB Voltage for the PhenomII is 1.15 to 1.30v. I would Try leaving the Dram Voltage at stock volts and increase the CPU-NB Voltage one step at a time testing with prime95 (in Blend mode) for stability in between each step. IF you don't see any or much improvement, set the CPU-NB back to what it originally was and use the same incremental process for the Dram Voltage.

I would set the NB Chipset voltage to 1.20v and HT Link to 1.25v First to see if that stabilizes Your sutuation before trying the Above stated recommendations... JMO Though! Good luck!
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@Mastiffman,just because you have problems with using the VDD voltages,you should'nt make out it's wrong to use them,they are there for a reason,or there would be no point in them being in the bios.

And in your coment about ram,yes you can only use 1 stick,but defeats the object really dont you think,that would be like only using 1 stick on a tripple channel system.
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I'm just about at my wits end with this setup. I just can't seem to get it to last longer than 30 seconds in a Prime95 blend mode torture test.

Mastiffman's, thank you for the suggestions. I tried the following and none worked.

CPU-NB (tried everything from 1.15v to 1.3v)
DDR Voltage 1.65v
NB Chipset 1.2v
HT Link 1.25v

CPU-NB AUTO
DDR Voltage (tried 1.65v to 1.72v)
NB Chipset 1.2v
HT Link 1.25v

Does it sound like I have a bad IMC? The memory passes memtest86+ just fine for 24 hours with the memory at 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 and everything else on AUTO. However it can not last more than 30 seconds in a Prime95 blend test, with anything I've tried.

Granted this is all knew to me. I've never had to mess with voltages. Everything I've built before seemed to always work out of the box the way it should. So I don't really have an understanding of how all these voltages relate to each other and even what the difference between CPU-NB Voltage and CPU-NB VDD Voltage is.

Should I look into RMA'ing the CPU?
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Do you guys think the reason the official 1.10 bios hasn't been released yet is because they're adding the Phenom II X6 “Thuban” Update?
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just got this and I'm gonna test it out later. I'll post the whole setup later when I fix some fan wires. I'm really enjoying this all in one custom unit! =o)


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