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I'm just about at my wits end with this setup. I just can't seem to get it to last longer than 30 seconds in a Prime95 blend mode torture test.

Mastiffman's, thank you for the suggestions. I tried the following and none worked.

CPU-NB (tried everything from 1.15v to 1.3v)
DDR Voltage 1.65v
NB Chipset 1.2v
HT Link 1.25v

CPU-NB AUTO
DDR Voltage (tried 1.65v to 1.72v)
NB Chipset 1.2v
HT Link 1.25v

Does it sound like I have a bad IMC? The memory passes memtest86+ just fine for 24 hours with the memory at 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 and everything else on AUTO. However it can not last more than 30 seconds in a Prime95 blend test, with anything I've tried.

Granted this is all knew to me. I've never had to mess with voltages. Everything I've built before seemed to always work out of the box the way it should. So I don't really have an understanding of how all these voltages relate to each other and even what the difference between CPU-NB Voltage and CPU-NB VDD Voltage is.

Should I look into RMA'ing the CPU?
What are your Frequencies for all of the settings here? And have you ever taken a Picture of the CPU's Integrated heat sink OR the Label on the Box before you installed? To show the numbers? It would be interesting to see what your Die Cut number is..... That will tell us IF you have a typical CPU-NB. IF not you may actually need more voltage to run 1600mhz...

I guess that it's always possible that you may need to RMA something. It's not typical but there are CPU's out there (Or other components) that may very be poor from the Beginning.

The "Voltages" are the Main Voltage Supplies and the VDD voltages are no more than "Positive Supply Voltage" Labels, hence the Vdd given. They are not VID(Voltage Identification Digital) If they were they would be labeled as such... Some have also referred to them as the Lower power State Voltage Settings. Either way they generally don't aid in stability in a majority of the cases that I've come accross on this board! I myself had Never used except when first getting the board and having stability issues. Discovering that they were the cause and limitation in MY OCing..

The best way to look at them is the Fine Tune Adjustment for the Main CPU and CPU-NB Voltages!

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@Mastiffman,just because you have problems with using the VDD voltages,you should'nt make out it's wrong to use them,they are there for a reason,or there would be no point in them being in the bios. And in your coment about ram,yes you can only use 1 stick,but defeats the object really dont you think,that would be like only using 1 stick on a tripple channel system.
@ Moorhen2,

It's funny because there have been a ton of people that claim to have better stability with them disabled, it's not just me.... Even requiring lower Vcore voltages with them set to auto. Why waste the time and energy trying to find the right combo of VDD voltages when setting to Auto does great For "Most"??? Once again I wrote soemthing and it wasn't read correctly...

Here...
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EVERY system is Different! Bottom Line!! What works on One system may not work on another system with the Same Exact Components! This is why any info given on any forum should Only be taken as general advice from others experiences with the same or similar components....
And If you are referring to this comment that I made below... I never said that one couldn't ONLY use 1 stick of ram!? So I'm not quite sure where you came up with that response... I said that "I don't ever recall hearing or reading that one cannot use Ganged Mode if only having 1 DIMM installed"........

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I don't ever recall hearing or reading that one cannot use Ganged Mode if only having 1 DIMM installed as Ganged or Unganged pertains to the Operating mode of the CPU-NB (Integrate Memory Controller).
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Hello all. I've been following this thread for some time now and I'll be building my new system this week using the MSI 790FX-GD70.

My current system is a socket 939 Opteron 165 at 3Ghz under swiftech H220 on a DFI Expert motherboard. This system runs at top performance for more than 2 years but it's time for a change without burning a lot of money

Here is the parts list:

Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
Processor: 965 BE C3
Memory: Kingston HyperX KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX 2x2GB

I'll start cooling the processor with a Corsair H50 and using my 8800GTX as the video card until my new ATI arrives.

Maybe I'll put the Phenom on a serious water loop later.

Storage will be two western digital raptors on raid 0 and to 7200 western digital drives, 400GB and 640GB.

I would like to overclock the phenom to at least 4Ghz and maybe, even with the unlocked multiplier, also work with the ram clocks.

I'm reading the whole thread and any feedbacks, tips, bios screenshots is welcome
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Hello all. I've been following this thread for some time now and I'll be building my new system this week using the MSI 790FX-GD70.

My current system is a socket 939 Opteron 165 at 3Ghz under swiftech H220 on a DFI Expert motherboard. This system runs at top performance for more than 2 years but it's time for a change without burning a lot of money

Here is the parts list:

Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
Processor: 965 BE C3
Memory: Kingston HyperX KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX 2x2GB

I'll start cooling the processor with a Corsair H50 and using my 8800GTX as the video card until my new ATI arrives.

Maybe I'll put the Phenom on a serious water loop later.

Storage will be two western digital raptors on raid 0 and to 7200 western digital drives, 400GB and 640GB.

I would like to overclock the phenom to at least 4Ghz and maybe, even with the unlocked multiplier, also work with the ram clocks.

I'm reading the whole thread and any feedbacks, tips, bios screenshots is welcome
Ah, nice! Love the Opty!

Sounds like a good setup! You should find the "fun" quickly....

I have that EXACT Ram and it's Decent stuff! I've had as high as 1952Mhz. CAS11 though! LOL Boooo! Maybe it's the kit that I received but, It doesn't seem to like lower than CAS 8 timings with a Major increase in Dram voltages. Like Stable CAS 7-7-7-21-28-1T needs 1.88v+ for stable operation! CAS6 was totally out of reach! So if that's what you're looking for, CAS6-CAS7 Timings, I might suggest looking into something with higher freq @ CAS8 (or 9) or a lower CAS Set of 1600mhz! JMO Though!

If you want to spend extra on that ram, 1800Mhz+ AData, Corsair Dominators GTX and Kingston Hyper's all provide good IC's on their DIMMs. Should prove to provide High Stable Ram Freq's at lower timings (Cas6- Cas7) and Voltages!

When you get the CPU let us know what the Numbers on the Box or CPU say! (Preferrably the RH Side of the 2nd and 3rd rows) This will give us and idea of the Batch Number and the Die Cut number, ultimately telling us the quality of the CPU and it's IMC....
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i would have to agree with mastiffman in regards to using the cpu voltage and cpu/nb voltage, as ive found that when using the cpu vdd and cpu/nb vdd voltages it actually hinderd my oc'ing and subsequently caused nothing but instability issues,

as a result i keep them both set to auto and only use the cpu - cpu/nb voltages and it seems to work for me, others may find using them helps but not for me,

so my best advice would be to try using them but if there not working for you then just set them to auto and use only the cpu and cpu/nb voltages. this is just my findings and jmo on the matter, other peoples findings may vary.
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What are your Frequencies for all of the settings here? And have you ever taken a Picture of the CPU's Integrated heat sink OR the Label on the Box before you installed? To show the numbers? It would be interesting to see what your Die Cut number is..... That will tell us IF you have a typical CPU-NB. IF not you may actually need more voltage to run 1600mhz...

I guess that it's always possible that you may need to RMA something. It's not typical but there are CPU's out there (Or other components) that may very be poor from the Beginning.
Well, I originally thought the MB was bad, because the CPU passed Small FFT test and the memory passed memtest86+. That was before I knew the newer processors had IMC. I had just assumed the NB on the motherboard was bad. Obviously the issue is still persistent with the replacement board, which definitely leads me to the CPU or memory..

I did not take a picture of the processor before installation. As far as the box (I assume you mean the box it came in), it just has HDZ955FBGMBOX on the outside and the serial number. If need be, I could take the heat sink off and clean up the processor to try and get that information.

At this point, I think either the CPU or memory is bad, but I don't want to be without my computer for another two weeks, just to find out I sent off the wrong thing again.

I'm not sure if I mentioned this in here or not, but the memory will run at 1600mhz if it is not in dual channel mode.
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First of all thanks a lot for replying and helping me!

I'll probably receive the parts tomorrow and post the numbers as soon as possible.

I was looking for better ram but prices were way too high for a system like this. My goal is a nice overclock without spending a lot of money.

Maybe I got a little bit happy with "budget setups" after the "Opty experience"

Running 4GB of Corsair value (Samsung UCCC) chips on the Expert for years and reaching 270Mhz on cheap ddr 400 usually does that

I hope that the ram allows me to reach a good and stable overclock.
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Well, I originally thought the MB was bad, because the CPU passed Small FFT test and the memory passed memtest86+. That was before I knew the newer processors had IMC. I had just assumed the NB on the motherboard was bad. Obviously the issue is still persistent with the replacement board, which definitely leads me to the CPU or memory..

I did not take a picture of the processor before installation. As far as the box (I assume you mean the box it came in), it just has HDZ955FBGMBOX on the outside and the serial number. If need be, I could take the heat sink off and clean up the processor to try and get that information.

At this point, I think either the CPU or memory is bad, but I don't want to be without my computer for another two weeks, just to find out I sent off the wrong thing again.

I'm not sure if I mentioned this in here or not, but the memory will run at 1600mhz if it is not in dual channel mode.
I don't really know if it's Either or just settings... Do you have a fresh install? Or is it plagued with mising files? just curious... Yes, the serial number. What are the last 5 digits?

P.S. The memory can only run in Single channel mode if configured that way in the motherbaords DIMM Slots.... (i.e. DIMMs 1+4 or 2+3 or only 1 DIMM)

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First of all thanks a lot for replying and helping me!

I'll probably receive the parts tomorrow and post the numbers as soon as possible.

I was looking for better ram but prices were way too high for a system like this. My goal is a nice overclock without spending a lot of money.

Maybe I got a little bit happy with "budget setups" after the "Opty experience"

Running 4GB of Corsair value (Samsung UCCC) chips on the Expert for years and reaching 270Mhz on cheap ddr 400 usually does that

I hope that the ram allows me to reach a good and stable overclock.
You're very welcome!

Yes, the higher the rated Ram Freq the higher the price. Unfortunately! yeah I would stay clear of most Value Ram. If you could get some "G.Skill ECO". it runs @ 1.35v stock (or supposed to) and Clocks well from the tests that I seen. Could be a good match for you! They should be able to run CAS6 Easy with less than 1.5v.
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I don't really know if it's Either or just settings... Do you have a fresh install? Or is it plagued with mising files? just curious... Yes, the serial number. What are the last 5 digits?

P.S. The memory can only run in Single channel mode if configured that way in the motherbaords DIMM Slots.... (i.e. DIMMs 1+4 or 2+3 or only 1 DIMM)
Last 5 digits of the serial number are 00667. Where can you find specson the various CPU's by serial number?

Thanks, I did try it out in 2+3, that's how I verified that it was only working in single channel mode.

Windows 7 was installed after I first put the rig together, so it's had a very light usage over the past 4 weeks, since it has been built.

All the other settings in the BIOS are the default or auto settings. The only exception would be the FSB:Memory ratio which is 1:4, Spread Spectrum disabled, and the memory voltage set at 1.65.

I tried bumping the CPU-NB up to 1.35v, just a little while ago, to see if pushing it further than 1.3v would help, but no cigar. I tried to set it to 1333mhz (8-8-8-24) and the PC refused to turn on (no beeps) which required a CMOS reset. On 1060, everything runs like a champ.
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@ harell98 -- I have that memory, and have had no problems at all with it running 1600, 8-8-8-24-1t @ 1.65v, as a matter of fact I run it 1600, 7-8-7-20-27-1t, 1.66v. The problems you are describing sound like a memory issue, try taking out one stick and see if you are still having issues, trying each stick individually in different slots. This should help you determine if it is the RAM.

FTR, I had OCZ Plat's (1600, cas7) and had the exact same issue you are having, passed memtest all day long, but wouldn't go past a few seconds in Prime Blend. Tried a friends set of memory, and everything was fine, went back to the OCZ's, and wham, no Blend. Replaced the memory with this OCZ BE, and all has been fine since.

So, see if you can try different ram, and also see if you have a bad stick, it happens.

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Do you guys think the reason the official 1.10 bios hasn't been released yet is because they're adding the Phenom II X6 “Thuban†Update?
Its official!

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MSI is working over it, checked A7577AMS.1A5, AGESA version V3.6.9.0
AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1xxx [series] are now listed
Which means official 1.10 [A7577AMS.1A0] when its out will support those CPU's
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?to...341#msg1027341
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