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If i use cpu NB voltage instead of the vdd then I always fail on the windows startup screen...man am I tired of this stuff.
So your saying if you dont use VDD your system does'nt get past the startup screen,????,so what happens if you do use VDD voltages.
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Thanks again for the info! I hope that it allows me to reach a nice overclock at least.
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If I do use VDD am still stuck at the same point as earlier, cant get CPU NB above stock. SO today am going to play with the fsb rather than the divider, maybe this board just does not like the 1600 divider.
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Have you ever heard of ATI Cards Needing to be connected via D-Sub first to get the pciture and then disconnected and then use the DVI? This was a very weird for me. When I first got my AM3 System built, I put my 4870 in and it had no video. I did some reaserch before RMAing it and found out that if I did the previous, it had video. It actualyl ended up being a setting in my monitor. Having to do with digital settings of the inputs... Just a thought!
No I never heard of that. I'm getting the FF code regardless of what I try. I've tried all memory slots, no video card or anything connected to the board at all except the CPU and 1 RAM module. I'm thinking I got sent a used bad board. There are many things that point to this assumption. For instance; MSI sent out a whole "new" retail package however the box had no seal and looked like it had been opened, beacause the locking tab on the box is torn in the corner like someone pulled on the flap instead of sliding out the tab first. Also, the grounding beads around the screw holes are completely crushed flat. Plus I found a small burnt looking blister on the back of the board down by the sata ports. I'm reluctant to say the CPU went bad when the first board died, because while diagnosing this board I installed the AMD HS and fan. I left the fan unplugged and could feel the HS getting warm to the point that I plugged in the fan and when the chip cooled the fan slowed down. I know I should try the CPU in a confirmed working board, but when I called the local shops and asked if they could test it I was told "We don't have a way to test CPUs" and I don't know of anyone who has an AM3 board for me try so my heat test is the only confirmation that the CPU still works. It's not much but it's all I got.
    
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No I never heard of that. I'm getting the FF code regardless of what I try. I've tried all memory slots, no video card or anything connected to the board at all except the CPU and 1 RAM module. I'm thinking I got sent a used bad board. There are many things that point to this assumption. For instance; MSI sent out a whole "new" retail package however the box had no seal and looked like it had been opened, beacause the locking tab on the box is torn in the corner like someone pulled on the flap instead of sliding out the tab first. Also, the grounding beads around the screw holes are completely crushed flat. Plus I found a small burnt looking blister on the back of the board down by the sata ports. I'm reluctant to say the CPU went bad when the first board died, because while diagnosing this board I installed the AMD HS and fan. I left the fan unplugged and could feel the HS getting warm to the point that I plugged in the fan and when the chip cooled the fan slowed down. I know I should try the CPU in a confirmed working board, but when I called the local shops and asked if they could test it I was told "We don't have a way to test CPUs" and I don't know of anyone who has an AM3 board for me try so my heat test is the only confirmation that the CPU still works. It's not much but it's all I got.

i sometimes get an FF error from a failed overclock usually involving the cpu or imc, usually this happens if ive really pushed them too far,
a standard cmos clear usually sorts that out but not always, sometimes i have to leave my psu on so theres power to the board before it will clear the cmos and even then ive got to press it a few times before it will actually clear it,

i also had the FF error last week after buying some more ram so i could compare it to the ram im currently using in my sig rig,
after some investigating it turned out that one of the sticks was bad, basicly one worked fine and the other one would just cause the board to display FF, i tried running the good stick and then upping the voltage and then putting the bad stick in to see if that would work but no joy so there being rma'd,

i'd try those two things first, and then think about rma'ing your hardware.
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i sometimes get an FF error from a failed overclock usually involving the cpu or imc, usually this happens if ive really pushed them too far,
a standard cmos clear usually sorts that out but not always, sometimes i have to leave my psu on so theres power to the board before it will clear the cmos and even then ive got to press it a few times before it will actually clear it,

i also had the FF error last week after buying some more ram so i could compare it to the ram im currently using in my sig rig,
after some investigating it turned out that one of the sticks was bad, basicly one worked fine and the other one would just cause the board to display FF, i tried running the good stick and then upping the voltage and then putting the bad stick in to see if that would work but no joy so there being rma'd,

i'd try those two things first, and then think about rma'ing your hardware.
this is a RMA replacement board. It didn't work out the box.
    
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im not sure what else you can do as the FF error has accurd for a number of problems, which makes me wonder if the led poster is really of any use when it comes to pin pointing a system error or fault,

you've probably been told this already or know this already, but the only thing you can do is to test all your other hardware in another machine as it could be your cpu or ram thats faulty, which could of been caused by your last board.
also have you tryed one stick of ram @ a time in all the slots, worth a try if you hav'nt already.
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If I do use VDD am still stuck at the same point as earlier, cant get CPU NB above stock. SO today am going to play with the fsb rather than the divider, maybe this board just does not like the 1600 divider.
Just out of interest,what bios are you using.???
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pendrago- i have that same memory and mine runs at 1600 7-7-7-20-27-1t at 1.7v.
nevermind. followed the link. mine is gamer yours is viper
Yeap! I know that but this one running with 1720 MHz so, it needs a little bit more voltage than stock which is 1.9 V ...

Unfortunately, I have bought wrong RAM I mean, these are designed for Intel X58 (I think... I am not familiar with Intel terminology) platform.
Patriot has of course AMD BE memory sticks in his offer... and I think they stock voltage is also 1.7 V... Well, next time I will buy something decent... like OCZ or Corsair memory ;>
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Well the Closer to 90001 you get the Better the IMC... So I don't really understand what the main issue with the IMC is.... With a decent IMC and Good Ram one should be able to run around 2800 with 1800Mhz Ram @ CAS7+.... 90036 is the Die Cut number which means that was the number of cuts from the center of the Wafer! Batch number May be the Issue here thogh. Which is in the second Row, last 4 digits which will be letters...
One thing to remember is that you can create instability with to much voltage as well. Regardless of what some may say, Any specific OC will need a little time to Run a that speed for best results....
Well, maybe my memory isn't decent I have tried to run it higher with 8-8-8-24 or even 9-9-9-27 timings and still no luck with cold boot.
Where can I find a list (to compare) of decent batch numbers for this type of CPU? So, you claim that CACYC is not a good batch

Have you noticed that when you do benchmark your memory in Cache and Memory Benchmark in Everest for example two in a row... there are slightly changes in L1 Cache speed (Copy). Mine values vary from 60 MB/s to 78 MB/s. When I do this test a couple of times the higher value eventualy shows up but... it's strange for me

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TO ALL WHOM CARE:

One can reach the same Latency (Lower is better) with Medium Ram Freq, Lowering Timings and a Higher CPU-NB as Running Higher Ram Freq with Looser Timings and Lower CPU-NB..... Obviously Combining these to have High Ram Freq and CPU-NB with Lowest Timings would be Optimal!

It just really depends on the components as to what will be best for your situation.
So, the higher CPU-NB (I mean NorthBridge clock) combined with lower timings and not so high RAM frequency could give some decent results.
Still have to learn a lot about that
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