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Hey masstif, thanks for the recommendation. With my v.card, I guess I fried it /cry. Made it up to 970/1330@1.274v, then crashed after 5min30sec of furMark, couldnt recover, so I reboot, and it forced the PC into a loop upon startup where driver would continue to crash, recover, and crash again over and over (displayed 2d fine, 3d mode causes crash, some program that starts up at startup has a 3d element which kicked card into 3d, thus causing the crash loop) so I just sent back in both cards with RMA and awaiting a response *crosses fingers* I will try those settings when I get the cards back. I have an nvidia in this desktop i could transfer, but at this point I dont wanna mess with the new rig again until i can do a fresh install with both gpu's.

I'll email my buddy about the voltage changes you suggest and see what he thinks. I trust ur opinion on it, but the problem was that we were experiencing tons of Hypertransport Sync Flood errors and the settings we have in SS's solved the problem. Might have been one of the gpu's though, as we removed it at the same time we made changes to bios, and the card had a busted voltage cap. it still worked, but heavy distortion and tons of artifacts in normal desktop use. Perhaps if that was the issue, then these settings will bring stability while maintaining my ability to understand what the changes i've made actually mean! =P

Oh, BTW, the guy with the 955 C2 problem wasn't me, I have a C3 =P

Edit: So I did end up putting the old nvidia 9600gso into the machine. Changed the bios to what you suggested, seem to be stable, but I can't get the cpu-nb frequency over 2400, @2600/1.2v it crashes, @2800/1.29v it crashes badly, had to reset CMOS to get it to boot. Had a couple questions my buddy thought of:

1) I have a blue-ray burner hooked up through SATA, when we had the settings at auto before the bluray would cause crashes if trying to skip chapters in a movie. He's thinking 1.2-1.3v for SB is needed but asked to check with you

2) Also, in CPUz my cpu shifts from 200core to 199 at load, and my voltage goes from 1.4 on auto to 1.392v @load (with ur settings changes the core no longer dips below 200) is this amount of voltage drop normal? anything I can do to fix it (if it needs fixing?) such as the PLL voltage?

3) On my 5770's, I can't get stable under 128 (forget which setting exactly, latency i think) and have been told to try and get 64. Will a voltage increase on the NB-PCIE help this? (64 is fine on the 9600, but havn't installed a game yet to test, worked fine with ATITools)

4) And also regarding GPU's, when I get my 5770's back and go back into xfire mode, should any additional voltage be added anywhere?

Thanks again!
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Hey masstif, thanks for the recommendation. With my v.card, I guess I fried it /cry. Made it up to 970/1330@1.274v, then crashed after 5min30sec of furMark, couldnt recover, so I reboot, and it forced the PC into a loop upon startup where driver would continue to crash, recover, and crash again over and over.............................

................. it still worked, but heavy distortion and tons of artifacts in normal desktop use. Perhaps if that was the issue, then these settings will bring stability while maintaining my ability to understand what the changes i've made actually mean! =P

Oh, BTW, the guy with the 955 C2 problem wasn't me, I have a C3 =P

Edit: So I did end up putting the old nvidia 9600gso into the machine. Changed the bios to what you suggested, seem to be stable, but I can't get the cpu-nb frequency over 2400, @2600/1.2v it crashes, @2800/1.29v it crashes badly, had to reset CMOS to get it to boot. Had a couple questions my buddy thought of:
The Artifacts defintely implies a bad card for some reason. Could have become to hot. Furmark in NOTORIOUS for taking Video Cards to their max heat production! I Only like to use for a a quick 60 second Bench to ensure no Artifacts... Some say a 20 min run without artifacts is legit fro stability. most games won't take the card that high. That's it though and I recommend taking fan speed to at least 70% or more. Can't have enough air blowing across that heatsink!

AS far as the CPU-NB... If you are adjusting Only the CPU-NB Voltage and leaving the VDD Voltage (which you should) at auto, then just set the CPU-NB Multi to 13 or 14 and bump the voltage 1 step at a time and retest until stable or you've had enough.

NOTE: The Die Cut Number (Last 5 digits on the right in the third row, "Bottom Row" ) of your CPU's Integrated Heat Sink will give you a good idea of what to expect out of your CPU-NB and it's performance. The Lower the Number, the closer to the center of the CPU Wafer the CPU was cut from. The closer to the Center, the Better the CPU-NB performance/ Stability.

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1) I have a blue-ray burner hooked up through SATA, when we had the settings at auto before the bluray would cause crashes if trying to skip chapters in a movie. He's thinking 1.2-1.3v for SB is needed but asked to check with you
You can run it at 1.25v just for piece of mind but I think that crashing syptom may be more along the lines of incomplete system stability or possible a driver issue. I would think that it would be the SB power. Unless you have like 4 WDC Blacks at full power. If not then it's probably a Driver, maybe a firmware update is needed for the BD Drive. That's not uncommon.

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2) Also, in CPUz my cpu shifts from 200core to 199 at load, and my voltage goes from 1.4 on auto to 1.392v @load (with ur settings changes the core no longer dips below 200) is this amount of voltage drop normal? anything I can do to fix it (if it needs fixing?) such as the PLL voltage?
That's Normal. It's referred to as "VDroop". I have my CPU Voltage set to 1.48v in BIOS. It registers at 1.472v in CPUZ at Idle and Bounces back and forth from 1.456v to 1.464v at full load. So that's common on this boad. Some other boards are less. Some claim that PLL has produced a more stable voltage environment for the CPU but PLL is primarily for creating a Voltage based Frequency that Syncs with the CPU main Frequency's phases to stablize the CPU Frequency to prevent spikes and dips that will lead to instability.

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3) On my 5770's, I can't get stable under 128 (forget which setting exactly, latency i think) and have been told to try and get 64. Will a voltage increase on the NB-PCIE help this? (64 is fine on the 9600, but havn't installed a game yet to test, worked fine with ATITools)
If you're referring to the PCI Latency Timer.... 128 will allow each PCI device to hold onto the BUS longer, typically increasing PCI Bandwidth Efficiency. I normally keep mine at 128 with only 1 Video Card.

I would think that if anything the NB-PCIe I/O (input/ output) Voltage would help. But I wouldn't bet on it. Even with identicle Systems, settings will vary. You should be able to set the PCILT to 64 without issues. it will only lessen the Efficiency. I'm not running more than 1 card, so the environment may differ from that with 2 or more cards. I would look into the NB-PCIe I/O voltage first.

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4) And also regarding GPU's, when I get my 5770's back and go back into xfire mode, should any additional voltage be added anywhere?

Thanks again!
No problem. Once again I'm not an expert in the xFir mode, YET!? - But like I stated above, I would look into the NB-PCIe I/O Voltage first, then the NB-PCIe Voltage. Start with one voltage setting (it's your choice) and move 1 step at a time, testing in between. If you notice no affect on the xFire Stability, set back to auto and try the other.

If I were you, I would reload OS and everything Fresh (with both cards installed correctly), Make an image of the entire C: Drive using Norton Ghost 03 or the Backup utility that W7 provides an store that image on an alternate Drive. That way when you get BSoD's a jack up you OS (which you will, it's inevitable!) you will be able to restore everything in a moatter of minutes. I learned that years ago. Install everything and make the image at stock settings.

Hope that I helped out some. it's good to brain storm issues with people. it reveals solutions more quickly. Good luck.
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Sorry if im in the wrong spot,but i need some help.Finished putting everything together,hit power button,fans and lights come on,can hear hd and cdrom
coming on,no video and debug lcd stays on ff.Tried both sticks of ram in first slot,8 pin and 24 pin connected,tried clearing cmos multiple times,still no luck.Any suggestions?
    
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Sorry if im in the wrong spot,but i need some help.Finished putting everything together,hit power button,fans and lights come on,can hear hd and cdrom
coming on,no video and debug lcd stays on ff.Tried both sticks of ram in first slot,8 pin and 24 pin connected,tried clearing cmos multiple times,still no luck.Any suggestions?
Welcome,what bios revision are you on.????
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Sorry if im in the wrong spot,but i need some help.Finished putting everything together,hit power button,fans and lights come on,can hear hd and cdrom
coming on,no video and debug lcd stays on ff.Tried both sticks of ram in first slot,8 pin and 24 pin connected,tried clearing cmos multiple times,still no luck.Any suggestions?
I just went through this! Unfortunately there is no easy fix. FF for this board is CPU initialization. It gets stuck trying to boot up the CPU. I'm going to say it's your CPU not starting. If you have access to another AM3 CPU try it first before you RMA, but if you're like me and don't then RMA is what you'll have to do.

I RMA'd my first board (because it fried on me) and the replacement, which had a burn on the back and exhibited the same symptoms as yours, so I RMA'd that board thinking this has to be it and the second replacement board showed FF code. ****! Again the same symptoms as you; all the lights and fans came on as well as the DVD drive and the HDD. Turned out to be the CPU. The first board took out the CPU when it fried. So then I RMA'd the CPU and now everything is peachy. The bonus of all this waiting for multiple RMAs (over two months) was I got a board already loaded with BIOS ver. 1.9. I shouldn't expect your RMA time to be that long. Maybe three weeks for the board and two weeks for the CPU, unless you bought at a local retail store, then just return or if you got it at newegg then it's only about ten days! I hope this all helps and I know the disappointment your feeling. Don't give up on this board it's a great one.
    
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Thanks guys, think im going to rma both board and cpu,bought them on new egg about 2 months ago
    
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Thanks guys, think im going to rma both board and cpu,bought them on new egg about 2 months ago
Sorry about your luck man. I feel your pain. Remember if you use UPS to ship mark the box labeled Residential. If you mark it Commercial UPS will consider "ground" delivery acceptable at 8 to 15 business days vs. 3-5 with residential.
    
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