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I wouldn't mind the long-lasting compatibility, but it's a new architecture. Maybe AM3+ will bring us another long line of compatibility with future products, yanno?
Well here's my take on it. The economy is down and money is tight. How else can Developers, Manufactures & Platform designers continue to make people spend more money. It reminds me of the whole Code Masters Dirt2 XP X64 problem which gets under my skin in the worse way.

Sorry going off topic now...

CodeMasters makes a game "Dirt2" that is DX11 compatable but add's microsofts Games for windows live Validation crap to prevent piracy. I'm OK with that decision up to the point where it affects XP X64 users like me in a way that I can't use the product because because M$ killed the Validation of the game some how. I think it's a big scam to get people to upgrade their OS to run this game.

Also Steam gets involved and allows hardware manufactures to sell DX11 video cards w/free copies of Dirt2 key codes that require users to install Steam in order to download and install this free game. This is all fine and dandy but there is a catch 22 and it's an ever evolving visciouse cycle that keeps regenerating un-needed purchases. Buy the video cards and you have to update your OS to play it in DX11 mode for which the game was really designed.

This problem has been well known by CM, M$ & Steam for well over a year, heck almost 2 years now and the problem still exists. Steam will still sell a copy of Dirt2 to Steam users and say that an XP X64 Systems is capable of running the game. Which it is up to a point but if you want to save your game progress and/or any game user info then here is where people get jacked by all 3 companies. You have to instal M$ GFWL. Once GFWL is installed it forces users to download and instal updates of which make it impossible to create a save game file for users of Windows XP Pro X64. I'm beyond irritated by this. Sorry end rant.

At least AM3+ will keep DDR3 slots. I mean they just came out with it. How would that make people feel if they came out w/a new DDR4 just for AM3+
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Well here's my take on it. The economy is down and money is tight. How else can Developers, Manufactures & Platform designers continue to make people spend more money. It reminds me of the whole Code Masters Dirt2 XP X64 problem which gets under my skin in the worse way.


At least AM3+ will keep DDR3 slots. I mean they just came out with it. How would that make people feel if they came out w/a new DDR4 just for AM3+
Thing is I remember how it went from AM2 to AM2+ to AM3. My thinking is that now that we are going to have AM3+ AM4 may not be that far around the corner. That being said I believe that when Am4 comes out it will be DDR3 Tri channel..... (Hence prob no backwards compatibility)
Also AMD is going to be facing a memory bottleneck issue with the dual channel DDR3(heck they already are) with the theoretical throughput that the new CPUs will be able to produce. So while I really want a Bulldozer chip I think I might be waiting for AM4 or at least to see what the next plans are.
As I said I dont think that DDR4 will be coming soon but they will be changing to tri-channel if they are smart. that being said at least we will only need to buy and extra stick for that to work in most cases.
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Ive been hearing alot about this Bulldozer chip...

Will it be AM3 based or will people have to replace there mobo ?
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On a side note, got an issue not sure if anyone can help with:

After hooking my 4 1TB Spinpoints in RAID5, I had to move my OCZ Vertex 2 to the JMicron controller on my MSI 790FX-GD70 mobo. If I enable AHCI (which AHCI was enabled when I installed Windows 7 on the drive), I get a blue screen right after the Windows loading screen, but if I switch to IDE it works fine.

I've already edited the registry to show a value of 0 for the msahci key. It was already set at 0. Not sure what is the problem. Is it because of switching to a whole new controller?
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Ive been hearing alot about this Bulldozer chip...

Will it be AM3 based or will people have to replace there mobo ?
It will Be AM3+ and yes you will need a new MB This is probably do to the fact that they added the pins they removed when going from AM2+ to AM3. IMHO

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On a side note, got an issue not sure if anyone can help with:

After hooking my 4 1TB Spinpoints in RAID5, I had to move my OCZ Vertex 2 to the JMicron controller on my MSI 790FX-GD70 mobo. If I enable AHCI (which AHCI was enabled when I installed Windows 7 on the drive), I get a blue screen right after the Windows loading screen, but if I switch to IDE it works fine.

I've already edited the registry to show a value of 0 for the msahci key. It was already set at 0. Not sure what is the problem. Is it because of switching to a whole new controller?
This is prob do to changing to the Jmicron. But Mastiffman is the one to talk to about raid issues! He will prob be back on after the holidays or maybe sooner.

Just out of curiosity why did you have to move it to the other controller?
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Looks as tho those of us that were hoping for Bulldozer chips on our 790FX's are going to be out of luck. The new Bulldozer (8core) chips are going to be AM3+ which will not work in AM3 boards.... Altho the AM3 chips will work in AM3+ boards so, it looks as tho our MB is going to be outdated in the near future Bulldozer will however be using dual channel DDR3 so our memory will be able to be used in them.
Im glad i didnt buy a new 890fx w/a 6 core.
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It will Be AM3+ and yes you will need a new MB This is probably do to the fact that they added the pins they removed when going from AM2+ to AM3. IMHO



This is prob do to changing to the Jmicron. But Mastiffman is the one to talk to about raid issues! He will prob be back on after the holidays or maybe sooner.

Just out of curiosity why did you have to move it to the other controller?
I had to setup RAID5 on the SB750 controller and I couldn't keep the SSD on that one. It wouldn't boot because the settings are now set to RAID, not AHCI. I did see someone saying that RAID is AHCI compatible and should work. I might update my BIOS where an update with the RAID ROM was updated.
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It will Be AM3+ and yes you will need a new MB This is probably do to the fact that they added the pins they removed when going from AM2+ to AM3. IMHO
Now thats a bastard. I will want that chip is there any need to ditch the 955 x4 for it ? Im not a overclocker thats why i try and stick to higher clocks as a standard thing!
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Now thats a bastard. I will want that chip is there any need to ditch the 955 x4 for it ? Im not a overclocker thats why i try and stick to higher clocks as a standard thing!
If I have been reading correctly any AM3 chip will work in an AM3+ board but AM3+ chips(Bulldozer and the others that are yet to come out) will only work in an AM3+ MB.

Another thing is that nothing is optimized for 6 cores let alone 8 so for now my quad will do just fine.

So if you want Octo-coreness you will have to buy a new MB. What I am going to do is wait it out. Personally I think Bulldozer is going to be a great leap but... They ARE going to be bottlenecked by the RAM as they will still be running dual channel DDR3. If you look at ram benches between Tri and dual channel (i7 vs PII) you will see a big difference. Any guesses to what the plans are would be just that a major guess, unless you know something we dont
They could be getting ready for DDR5 or they could be planning something weird like quad channel who knows. One thing I did notice that struck me as odd was the DDR lanes IIRC it was 2 72bit lanes = 144 not the normal 128 that we have now so who know what the real plan is or when it will show itself, for now I am ~happy.
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Now thats a bastard. I will want that chip is there any need to ditch the 955 x4 for it ? Im not a overclocker thats why i try and stick to higher clocks as a standard thing!
You won't even overclock your 955 up to 3.5-3.6ghz? There wouldn't be much of an increase in temps, if that's your concern. You wouldn't even have to worry about the voltages, since all you have to do is press the + a few times in your BIOS for increasing the multiplier. Btw, 955's can run the stock speed of 3.2ghz on 1.23v-1.25v, instead of the high stock voltage of 1.35v, so you can get cooler temps with the stock speed.
    
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