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im curious about what bios version everyone is using these days. i went back to 1.7 yesterday because i had some strange booting issue. 1.7 is my fail safe/always works bios version. turned out it wasn't the bios. so like i said; what are you guys using and what are the pros/cons?
That's the same one I'm currently using - find it more stable on overclocks & overall as well no issue upon booting

previously I had a booting issue - it would repeatedly do reset cmos flood thing crap even on stock settings... but going back to this bios it fixed it on mines.
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pendrago: YOU ARE SETTING WRONG CPU VOLTAGE!!!

IN BIOS ARE THIS LABELS (in this particular order)

1. CPU VDD Voltage (V)
2. CPU-NB VDD Voltage (V)
3. CPU Voltage (V)
4. CPU-NB Voltage (V)

So if I'm correct, you playing with first voltage (CPU VDD) - this is only temperature offset and its not recomended to play with first 2 values at all - leave 1. and 2. to AUTO

3. - Correct CPU Volatage - if you run it at default frequency, leave it auto too, in OC: 1.4-1.45V (safe values for air).
1.32V is default for your CPU and this motherboard slightly undervolt - so i think that if you have 1.29X real voltage in CPU Z, you have CPU voltage in bios to auto (1.32V)

4. CPU NB(uncore) Voltage - leave it to AUTO if you don overclock NB. If so, for 2600 i asume 1.25V, 2800 1.3V... it depends on chip (1.1V is default)


sendblink23: Im using latest BIOS from MSI without problem. Very nice OC capabilities with 1100T and is only bios for 1100T at this time. Only bug i have found so far is that sometimes MB boots at 8x multiplier of CPU (ignores this setting in bios) - but this OK for me since im using phenommsrtweaker all the time (it correct multiplier after windows starts).
Edited by froxic - 1/15/11 at 6:48am
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29c is normal with air cooling. my 965 never went below 28c with the room at 20c. i used a megahalems with 2 3000rpm ultra kaze's.
Are you serious? So these are temperatures I have to expect to be using my 955 ? Now I run this CPU with these settings (I haven't tried to overclock it for now):

CPU Vid: 1.115 V (I know that it's some kind of voltage to slightly tune up main Voltage, but in my previous CPU 945 this voltage was set to 1.3 and here when I leave it on auto it shows 1.4 V!!! Why is it so high?)
CPU Vcore: 1.3 V
Everything set to auto (for now) and it's 3.2 GHz

What makes me anxious is this temp. I had been running mine Phenom 945 overclocked to 3.5 GHz (1.39 CPU Vcore), NB 2.5 GHz (1.28-29 V CPU-NB ) and my temperatures under heavy stress (Prime95) had never been higher than 38*C
That's why I am so frustrated

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pendrago: YOU ARE SETTING WRONG CPU VOLTAGE!!!

IN BIOS ARE THIS LABELS (in this particular order)

1. CPU VDD Voltage (V)
2. CPU-NB VDD Voltage (V)
3. CPU Voltage (V)
4. CPU-NB Voltage (V)

So if I'm correct, you playing with first voltage (CPU VDD) - this is only temperature offset and its not recomended to play with first 2 values at all - leave 1. and 2. to AUTO
Yes. I have never touched (well, once I have 1st and 2nd voltages
But why CPU Vid in Core Temp is so high ? Do you also have them set as high (when auto option is turned on) ?

---
I've just looked at FAQ of CoreTemp and there it says:
  1. Core Temp reports incorrect vcore in the VID field.
    VID is not the same as VCore. VCore is the actual voltage the processor is being fed by the motherboard.
    VID is the recommended voltage the processor should be running at at the current power state, this is a predetermined value, programmed by the CPU manufacturer. When the processor settings, especially the VCore is kept at default settings, Core Temp will provide a good approximation of the real VCore, but if you change the setting using the BIOS or by other means, Core Temp's VID readings should be ignored.

So, with my understanding... I should ignore VID reading and focus only on CPU V in BIOS


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3. - Correct CPU Volatage - if you run it at default frequency, leave it auto too, in OC: 1.4-1.45V (safe values for air).
1.32V is default for your CPU and this motherboard slightly undervolt - so i think that if you have 1.29X real voltage in CPU Z, you have CPU voltage in bios to auto (1.32V)
At this screenshot I have underclocked and undervolt CPU to 3 GHz and CPU V at 1.3 V (as you wrote). I wanted to check what happens if I manually set them. Why those values are so high when set to auto ?

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4. CPU NB(uncore) Voltage - leave it to AUTO if you don overclock NB. If so, for 2600 i asume 1.25V, 2800 1.3V... it depends on chip (1.1V is default)
OK! I will try that Thanks !

Last question - Could anybody (who has Scythe Mugen heatsink) show me some tutorial how it should be properly placed on a motherboard ?
The whole procedure is just a kind of hell for me because once I place Mugen on a CPU I have to flip mobo (with Mugen) to the other side to put the screws on Mobo.

Maybe during this "operation" some air bubbles have got between CPU and Mugen and that's why these temperatures are so high? ( I got 5 additional 120 mm fans in my case - 2 are placed on Mugen, so I am worried that I will have to reapply TIM

Thanks DrBrownfinger and froxic and everyone for your answers. Uff! It is just not an easy job to be "an overclocker"
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pendrago: Im glad that some things helps you. And about temps... its about that every CPU chip differs and temperature sensors too. Sometimes sensors are very bad calibrated - for example my 1100T at 3.300 with 1.2V shows 24C (ambient is 22C) - so this must be wrong at air cooling. (Real temperature will be arround 34C). At load with 4.1Ghz it shows 48-52C - would be great, but its not real (its about 60C) - all temperatures are directly from CPU core sensor. (Coretemp or speedfan)

So temperature readings can help you "to be orientated", but never trus them at all times.
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Remember that NB voltage is offset in BIOS to what it really is under a monitor. In BIOS, my nb voltage is 1.28, but in Everest, only prog I can monitor nb voltage, it is damn near 1.35v, take that into consideration. AND, for 2600nb, which is what I run for bootup reason, I needed 1.2v in BIOS minimum to boot, but 1.28v in BIOS to be stable. At 2600nb, 4ghz cpu, and ddr3 1600, my nb was causing grey screens (or weird orange screens) in 3D gaming. 1.2v is damn near 1.26 or above, so I dont understand why it wasn't stable, lol, especially being on water, idle is 31C, load is 24C, lol...
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Remember that NB voltage is offset in BIOS to what it really is under a monitor. In BIOS, my nb voltage is 1.28, but in Everest, only prog I can monitor nb voltage, it is damn near 1.35v, take that into consideration. AND, for 2600nb, which is what I run for bootup reason, I needed 1.2v in BIOS minimum to boot, but 1.28v in BIOS to be stable. At 2600nb, 4ghz cpu, and ddr3 1600, my nb was causing grey screens (or weird orange screens) in 3D gaming. 1.2v is damn near 1.26 or above, so I dont understand why it wasn't stable, lol, especially being on water, idle is 31C, load is 24C, lol...
IIRC everest reports insane NB V under load 2.XX for me LMAO! So I never read that off of everest. IIRC I used the V points to monitor it
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Hey DrBrownfinger,

I think I'm using either 1F or 1G what ever the latest BIOS is and it seems to be working just fine for me. I actually had to update my bios in order for my mobo to be able to utilize the newer GPU's and the SLI hack.

The only thing I have noticed is some wierd noise coming through my sound and it came through the sound card onboard & in my new SB X-Fi Titanium. Oh yeah and every once in a blue moon I'll get a weird sound studder upon waking my PC from sleep state S3.

Here are the screen shots of my Everest gpu's and BIOS screens. I'm listing these so you can see the set up and see the date of the bios.

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IIRC everest reports insane NB V under load 2.XX for me LMAO! So I never read that off of everest. IIRC I used the V points to monitor it
Hm? Another prog to monitor nb temp?
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pendrago: Im glad that some things helps you. And about temps... its about that every CPU chip differs and temperature sensors too. Sometimes sensors are very bad calibrated - for example my 1100T at 3.300 with 1.2V shows 24C (ambient is 22C) - so this must be wrong at air cooling. (Real temperature will be arround 34C). At load with 4.1Ghz it shows 48-52C - would be great, but its not real (its about 60C) - all temperatures are directly from CPU core sensor. (Coretemp or speedfan)

So temperature readings can help you "to be orientated", but never trus them at all times.
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Hm? Another prog to monitor nb temp?
nb temps are fine but as far as nb voltages i would not trust it.
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