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Case closed = better cooling, air flow is more directed.

As for the OC, try lowering the overclock. When i OC and it bluescreens it usually means its unstable. Sorry i cant help more
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Hi everyone,

Can I pipe in here with a question?

I'm a newbie to overclocking. I mean, I've been doing it for 10 years, but on a very minimal level, mild increases, nothing to even mention. So, I consider myself a noob right now.

I've just put a new system together, except for the hdd's, and I'm getting a strange occurrence.

3dmark vantage has run without any problems on all 4 of it's tests at my current clocks, which are 4.0 Ghz, NB 2.4 and SB 2.0 and the 4890 @ 995 and 1095. This should be a breeze on water, right? CPU VDD is 1.485, cpu-nb vdd is 1.25, and nb core, 1.24. CPU temps are about 32-35c idle and max out at about 46-49c. Core is about 2-5 degrees cooler, not hotter, cooler.

As soon as I try to run Prime95 it reboots, no blue screen, just a bunch of lines across the screen (2 seconds, maybe) and a reboot.

I'm getting a lot of random bsod's, and sometimes when 3dmark vantage is run, but only sometimes, it usually runs no problem. No setting have changed. I keep running it because after bsod's happen I want to see how it responds to a test, and it usually runs fine through all the tests, but once in a while it will bsod. When it crashes in Vantage, it bsod's, not a straight reboot.

The errors are always either the 'stop: 0x00000124', or 'a clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor within the allocated time interval, stop: 0x00000101'.

The board, cpu, ram, vid card and power supply were purchased a few days ago. I am running bios version 1.4, and when I went to update through m-flash to 1.5 I got a 'warning: ROMID dismatch, force flash' notice, so I aborted the flash and left it at 1.4.

This is a completely new build with a fresh copy of Windows 7 x64 Ultimate RTM build 7600. I installed the most recent win 7 x64 nic, hd audio, and SB drivers from MSI's website. I have the most recent amd driver and ccc (version 9.9) for the 4890.

I have not installed the drivers Windows update wants to install for the 4890 nor the nic, only manufacturer drivers, and the most up-to-date ones at that.

As I'm writing this I am looking at a static bsod that reports these error codes:
'a clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor within the allocated time interval'
stop: 0x00000101 (0x0000000000000031, 0x000000000000000, 0xfffff88002f70180, 0x000000000000002). This came running vantage, one of the rare times it didn't complete.

Any help understanding this would be appreciated. I'm thinking I might have a bad CPU or mobo.

One last thing worth noting, the nb temps are high, or it seems they are high. With the case open, depending on the temp in my room (65-70f), it will read 62-70c. With the case closed and two 120mm, coolermaster rifle bearing, 2000rpm, 90cfm fans blowing at the vid card and cpu/nb area it will run between 44-51c. It doesn't move much either at it's temps, no matter what's running, maybe 3 or 4 degrees.
Being stable enough to run benchmarks (like Vantage) and being stable enough to run stability tests such as Prime95 are two completely separate things. My first thing I would suggest since you are on water is to bump your vcore up some more. You nb voltage can actually run stock at the speed you have it at. You should not have to start adding voltage to the NB until about 2600-2700 in most cases. It actually takes 1.25 to hit 2700 with my particular setup.

One more thing is that 64 bit will make it a little harder to hit the higher clocks that 32 bit for AMD processors. So always pay attention to that when comparing your overclocks with others.
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Being stable enough to run benchmarks (like Vantage) and being stable enough to run stability tests such as Prime95 are two completely separate things. My first thing I would suggest since you are on water is to bump your vcore up some more. You nb voltage can actually run stock at the speed you have it at. You should not have to start adding voltage to the NB until about 2600-2700 in most cases. It actually takes 1.25 to hit 2700 with my particular setup.

One more thing is that 64 bit will make it a little harder to hit the higher clocks that 32 bit for AMD processors. So always pay attention to that when comparing your overclocks with others.
Ok, I was thinking that I shouldn't have to get into 1.5 territory on water just to run 4.0, but I will keep pushing it up and see what happens.

I'd like to ask another question about the voltages in this bios. which should I be pushing for the cpu as I increase speed, the 'CPU VDD Voltage" or the 'CPU Voltage'?

And should I be able to enable ACC on bios 1.4 with this chip? Because it black screens and I have to clr cmos to get back in when I do enable it. I am first setting ec firmware to special, save and go back in to enable per core and set to +2, then it black screens and I have to clr.

Thanks for the help, and sorry about the long post, I was just trying to provide all applicable info.

EDIT: btw, I did not install any chipset drivers at all, only the sb/raid drivers. Should I have? It wouldn't install from the provided cd with the board (click the button, nothing happens, no install), and I had a previous install that was super buggy a few days ago and I thought it might be the chipset drivers, because I 'forced' the install from the msi download off the site. So I formatted and started fresh again.
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Ok, I was thinking that I shouldn't have to get into 1.5 territory on water just to run 4.0, but I will keep pushing it up and see what happens.

I'd like to ask another question about the voltages in this bios. which should I be pushing for the cpu as I increase speed, the 'CPU VDD Voltage" or the 'CPU Voltage'?

And should I be able to enable ACC on bios 1.4 with this chip? Because it black screens and I have to clr cmos to get back in when I do enable it. I am first setting ec firmware to special, save and go back in to enable per core and set to +2, then it black screens and I have to clr.

Thanks for the help, and sorry about the long post, I was just trying to provide all applicable info.

EDIT: btw, I did not install any chipset drivers at all, only the sb/raid drivers. Should I have? It wouldn't install from the provided cd with the board (click the button, nothing happens, no install), and I had a previous install that was super buggy a few days ago and I thought it might be the chipset drivers, because I 'forced' the install from the msi download off the site. So I formatted and started fresh again.
Yes you will most likely have to get into the 1.5+ territory with 64 bit. Again if you were using 32 bit it might be possibly to not have too.

Disable ACC as it is completely unnecessary with you processor.

As far as the chipset drivers, I did not install mine from the CD, I just let windows do that for me.
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@BenBrown - thnks for the help, I do appreciate it.

Could you let me know what all those voltage are in the bios? I have never seen so many! :/

I've seen people say use the cpu vdd voltage, but that one starts at 1.1 and reds at 1.5000, cpu voltage starts at 1.425 (965's stock voltage) and goes to I don't know where, never pushed it much over 1.5.

Thanks again for the support!
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@BenBrown - thnks for the help, I do appreciate it.

Could you let me know what all those voltage are in the bios? I have never seen so many! :/

I've seen people say use the cpu vdd voltage, but that one starts at 1.1 and reds at 1.5000, cpu voltage starts at 1.425 (965's stock voltage) and goes to I don't know where, never pushed it much over 1.5.

Thanks again for the support!
Use the CPU VDD voltage. It actually goes up to like 1.95 or something like that, but anything over 1.6 for 24/7 I would not recommend. I have used up to 1.65 on water for benching but that is getting into some rough territory there.

Try using OCCT for some of your stability testing as it will give you graphs for your voltage and temps so that you can see if there are any spikes in any of those areas you need to be aware of.
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Use the CPU VDD voltage. It actually goes up to like 1.95 or something like that, but anything over 1.6 for 24/7 I would not recommend. I have used up to 1.65 on water for benching but that is getting into some rough territory there.

Try using OCCT for some of your stability testing as it will give you graphs for your voltage and temps so that you can see if there are any spikes in any of those areas you need to be aware of.
Ok, I'm being newbie confused here. I understand everything you are saying, except one thing, the voltage options in the bios. Because I'm new, I'm going to list it all in order from top to bottom:

Auto setting is the first I'm using and moving up, not down

CPU VDD Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.550 (1.500+ = red)
CPU-NB VDD Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.550 (1.500+ = red)
CPU Voltage (v) ------ 1.425 - 2.055 (1.775+ = red)
CPU-NB Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.730 (1.450+ = red)
CPU PLL Voltage (v) ------ 2.512 - 3.132 (2.882+ = red)
CPU DDR-PHY Voltage (v) ------ 1.210 - 1.830 (1.550+ = red)
DRAM Voltage (v) ------ no explan. nec. (I hope)
DDR Vref Voltage (v) ------ .828 - 1.203
NB Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.730 (1.430+ = red)
... then there's NB PCI-E Volt., NB PCI-E I/O Volt., HT Link Volt., and SB Volt.

I used the CPU Voltage, set to 1.535 to test 4.1 (it failed).

Could you please explain which of these I should be using, and what combination if there's more than one for the CPU I should be using.
I'm not sure I really understand what each of those listed in detail mean, and how to properly utilize them.
In the past on different systems, I've always bumped the cpu volts up a little, if it was stable, great got some more speed out of it, but never cared much... 'till now.

thanks.
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Ok, I'm being newbie confused here. I understand everything you are saying, except one thing, the voltage options in the bios. Because I'm new, I'm going to list it all in order from top to bottom:

Auto setting is the first I'm using and moving up, not down

CPU VDD Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.550 (1.500+ = red)
CPU-NB VDD Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.550 (1.500+ = red)
CPU Voltage (v) ------ 1.425 - 2.055 (1.775+ = red)
CPU-NB Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.730 (1.450+ = red)
CPU PLL Voltage (v) ------ 2.512 - 3.132 (2.882+ = red)
CPU DDR-PHY Voltage (v) ------ 1.210 - 1.830 (1.550+ = red)
DRAM Voltage (v) ------ no explan. nec. (I hope)
DDR Vref Voltage (v) ------ .828 - 1.203
NB Voltage (v) ------ 1.100 - 1.730 (1.430+ = red)
... then there's NB PCI-E Volt., NB PCI-E I/O Volt., HT Link Volt., and SB Volt.

I used the CPU Voltage, set to 1.535 to test 4.1 (it failed).

Could you please explain which of these I should be using, and what combination if there's more than one for the CPU I should be using.
I'm not sure I really understand what each of those listed in detail mean, and how to properly utilize them.
In the past on different systems, I've always bumped the cpu volts up a little, if it was stable, great got some more speed out of it, but never cared much... 'till now.

thanks.
I apologize, I told you the wrong one. I am not in front of my pc at the moment and was trying to go off of memory. Use this one "CPU Voltage (v)" to adjust the voltage supplied to your CPU. Use this one "CPU-NB Voltage (v)" for the voltage supplied to the NB. The rest of them (besides the DRAM Voltage (v)) can be left on auto. For verification of the voltage you have given the processor you can use CPU-Z or even AMD Overdrive. I use both of these while testing clocks.
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CPU VDD voltage
is what you want to use. CPU-NB VDD voltage is the same thing. CPU voltage is actually an offset based off of CPU VDD voltage on this board. CPU-NB voltage is also an offset as well.
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@Mduclow

CPU VDD voltage
is what you want to use. CPU-NB VDD voltage is the same thing. CPU voltage is actually an offset based off of CPU VDD voltage on this board. CPU-NB voltage is also an offset as well.
You're saying I am supposed to use the one that starts at 1.100 and goes to 1.550? That one is the CPU VDD Voltage.
That one shows red in the bios at 1.500 and won't go above 1.550... are you sure? If so, than how do I increase volts for the cpu beyond 1.550?

Two opposite answers... now I am confused!

Someone school me please, I guess I need a little help understanding this. It's so different from what I've seen in the past...
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