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Was there a difference between the GD70 and the CH4 that you have?


Yeah the latencies would have to be pretty low for that or one would have to take the Rams freq much higher.
well there are a few differences.
1. I can OC without fear of VRM's going poof.
2. I can run 2000Mhz ram the 7XX boards can not do that.
and other features that came with this board.
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Well I've been reading on RAM and it seems like CAS6 might be possible for me if I change it to 6-7-6-2x or 6-8-6-2x. Definitely going to try it out.

Thanks for also clarifying the motherboard differences question I asked.


I have not gotten that at all. It's possible your CPU and/or RAM is not liking that BIOS version, though I have only experienced/heard good stuff about 1.G, so it might be worth tinkering with.
You bet. not sure about the ram but timing math is whatever CL you start with, add the CL, tRCD, tRP to get the value of the tRAS. And add the CL and tRAS to get the value of the tRC... Not sure if that will help at all...

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well there are a few differences.
1. I can OC without fear of VRM's going poof.
2. I can run 2000Mhz ram the 7XX boards can not do that.
and other features that came with this board.
Are you serious? You can't hit 2ghz ram on the GD70? Is that even with a thuban? I was planning on getting a thuban, disabling 2 cores and running my ram as close to 2ghz as I could...
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You bet. not sure about the ram but timing math is whatever CL you start with, add the CL, tRCD, tRP to get the value of the tRAS. And add the CL and tRAS to get the value of the tRC... Not sure if that will help at all...



Are you serious? You can't hit 2ghz ram on the GD70? Is that even with a thuban? I was planning on getting a thuban, disabling 2 cores and running my ram as close to 2ghz as I could...
I did not have this ram when i had the GD70, but from what I have read you will not hit 2000Mhz on a 7XX chipset.
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I did not have this ram when i had the GD70, but from what I have read you will not hit 2000Mhz on a 7XX chipset.

Interesting, Why?

I would think that it's a limitation of the CPu and Ram over the chipset...
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Interesting, Why?

I would think that it's a limitation of the CPu and Ram over the chipset...
TBH I cant find it on the net, but I have not seen anyone run 2000Mhz on a 7XX board even with a thurban. Now on the 890 boards this is not a problem and almost a given.
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TBH I cant find it on the net, but I have not seen anyone run 2000Mhz on a 7XX board even with a thurban. Now on the 890 boards this is not a problem and almost a given.
So are the MSI 890 boards junk or what? What's the scoop?
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It's dependant on the Cpu-NB And the Ram capabilities mostly.... I have some CL8 1600mhz King Hypers and they Can't Do CL6 in the same setup that my OCZ Flex Ex CL8 2000Mhz Can do 1600mhz CL6 with only a .07-.1v bump and that's with a3.0ghz NB....
are you saying that you need to have 3000cpu-nb to get cas6 stable in a deneb? am pretty sure my rams can run 1600-CL6.. will have to try that later.
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So are the MSI 890 boards junk or what? What's the scoop?
yes! the 890FX-GD70 or 80 dont remember is worse then this board! to be completely honest the whole DR.MOS line is. The main problem is the power management on the DR.MOS boards. they are doing 2 "power phases" per chip and are not using VRM's they are transistors.


This is the MSI board. 5 chips does not = 8+2 phase


This is what real 8+2 looks like, and it is actually 8+2+2.


The MSI 890 boards actually started blowing before the 790FX-GD70's did.
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are you saying that you need to have 3000cpu-nb to get cas6 stable in a deneb? am pretty sure my rams can run 1600-CL6.. will have to try that later.
No. What I am saying is that I think that Ram's IC's must be capable of doing CL6 at any speed... Especially higher Freq's...

I will also comment that 3ghz CPU-NB Will open up Ram Freq's Capabilities with lower Timings to add... As long as the IMC can take it.

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yes! the 890FX-GD70 or 80 dont remember is worse then this board! to be completely honest the whole DR.MOS line is. The main problem is the power management on the DR.MOS boards. they are doing 2 "power phases" per chip and are not using VRM's they are transistors.


This is the MSI board. 5 chips does not = 8+2 phase


This is what real 8+2 looks like, and it is actually 8+2+2.


The MSI 890 boards actually started blowing before the 790FX-GD70's did.
Okay. Got it. So it seems as if MSI has been a bit misleading when it comes to the power design of the motherboard? How is it that they even got away with this?

Also, this power mangement mistake (or intended design) of the MoBo is what's affecting the limitation of the Max ram Freq's on the GD70's?

Has anyone ever tried Ram Speeds around 2ghz on the GD70 with a thuban that's not OC'd very much or with Disabled cores to limit the stress on the VRM's?



EDIT: Check out THIS thread that I found on it all.....
Edited by Mastiffman - 2/25/11 at 10:53pm
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Okay. Got it. So it seems as if MSI has been a bit misleading when it comes to the power design of the motherboard? How is it that they even got away with this?

Also, this power mangement mistake (or intended design) of the MoBo is what's affecting the limitation of the Max ram Freq's on the GD70's?

Has anyone ever tried Ram Speeds around 2ghz on the GD70 with a thuban that's not OC'd very much or with Disabled cores to limit the stress on the VRM's?



EDIT: Check out THIS thread that I found on it all.....
That thread is a very good read! Notice the list of failed boards. MSI tops the list and makes up over 90% of that list. Now I know there are many more boards that have blown but I would bet that that percentage still holds true.

Also if you check out this link that was on the same page you will see why I will never stray from Asus again. (still dont know why I did in the first place )
Edited by eclipseaudio4 - 2/26/11 at 7:45am
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