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Already saw the survey link via the newsletter but glad to see it was shared here too.
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Saw it on Facebook so I did it this morning. Excited for you guys!
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Hey everyone,
I mentioned a few times that we are planning a major upgrade to our product portfolio. I am finally free to speak about it!
We are planning to start a complete new series of radiators, based on the very succesful and famous MO-RA3 design. We want to support the whole branch of "usual" radiator sizes, suitable for internal installation. But we want to hear your viewpoints and preferences first: we made a survey with 12 questions about fans and radiators. It would be super awesome if you'd participate in it, so we can put out the products that you guys REALLY want. As a reward, we raffle one HEATKILLER IV block through all participants of the survey!
And as always, if you want to add something we didn't ask in the survey, feel free to discuss it here with me, I'm always listening smile.gif
For the customization: we do have a laser with which we do all the writing on our products. Or maybe, it could be milled... Please contact support@watercool.de and state your idea as clear as possible, that makes it easier for my colleague to decide if we can do it...
About the nickelplating: originally, nickelplating was done because nickel is way more robust than copper. So, any industry standard thermal paste is absolutely fine with nickel. Actually, the only problem with thermal compounds that I am aware of is liquid metal products used with copper base plates. But with nickel plates, even the liquid metal products are safe to use.
Thansk for the info on the laser engraver and/or router. I discovered the cost of shipping to the states and it is just as much as the products I want to order. I think I will wait a few till I order something from you guys. I still may contact your rep and see what they can do.

As far as the survey goes. I did it and there are a few questions you should add some responses to.
I don't actually know the thickness of my radiator....lol.
I also use both my MB fan controller and third party alternative (CAM software and Grid+ V2 unit) to control my fans.

Those are the ones I remember for now.
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Originally Posted by Watercool-Jakob View Post

Hey everyone,
I mentioned a few times that we are planning a major upgrade to our product portfolio. I am finally free to speak about it!
We are planning to start a complete new series of radiators, based on the very succesful and famous MO-RA3 design. We want to support the whole branch of "usual" radiator sizes, suitable for internal installation. But we want to hear your viewpoints and preferences first: we made a survey with 12 questions about fans and radiators. It would be super awesome if you'd participate in it, so we can put out the products that you guys REALLY want. As a reward, we raffle one HEATKILLER IV block through all participants of the survey!
And as always, if you want to add something we didn't ask in the survey, feel free to discuss it here with me, I'm always listening smile.gif

I'll be frank, I passed on watercool radiators in the past because multiple comparisons tests put it in the middle of the pack in terms of performance, but on the top end of price. The metal finish is worth a premium, but the performance (low rpm and good scaling as rpm increases) has to be there. I think ports are also really important. Not just uflow or xflow, but stuff like a bottom drain port or multiple top ports is about the only thing I miss from my Alphacool radiator. Other than that, little things like not letting the screws hit the radiator when mounting.
    
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I want (and really thing there is a market for) more AIO's with pump and radiators included that you can change and add parts to without voiding the warranty. Something that has the ability to mount anywhere in the case (top, bottom, front, and back) that also comes in various sizes (120mm, 140mm, etc).

You know what would be nice to have? A case designed with watercooling in mind. One the has holes at the top for fill ports, maybe even designed with a special radiator that has those fill ports at the top. But I'd also want to have my external drive bays with that, at least 3.......
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I'll be frank, I passed on watercool radiators in the past because multiple comparisons tests put it in the middle of the pack in terms of performance, but on the top end of price. The metal finish is worth a premium, but the performance (low rpm and good scaling as rpm increases) has to be there. I think ports are also really important. Not just uflow or xflow, but stuff like a bottom drain port or multiple top ports is about the only thing I miss from my Alphacool radiator. Other than that, little things like not letting the screws hit the radiator when mounting.
Well the thing with the HTSF2 line is: it is old. SERIOUSLY OLD! I don't know the exact year right now, but I think, it was released around 2011... So, yes, that's the main reason why we start this massive overhauling right now: our current radiator series is getting a bit long in the tooth, and can't really compete against newer models.
I will pass your suggestions on, thanks a lot, this is very helpful for us!

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I want (and really thing there is a market for) more AIO's with pump and radiators included that you can change and add parts to without voiding the warranty. Something that has the ability to mount anywhere in the case (top, bottom, front, and back) that also comes in various sizes (120mm, 140mm, etc).

You know what would be nice to have? A case designed with watercooling in mind. One the has holes at the top for fill ports, maybe even designed with a special radiator that has those fill ports at the top. But I'd also want to have my external drive bays with that, at least 3.......
Hm, wrong place to ask, and that twice. Sorry, bro. We are currently not interested in AiO watercooling systems. I do know that there is a market for that, and especially for upgradeable systems, but it's just not what we personally like to do. As I said previously, we come from a engineering point of view, and from that perspective, AiO are always victims to a lot bad compromises. And a wellbalanced watercooling setup with premium components is always better, so that's what we aim for.
As for the case: we don't do cases, either... But hey, couldn't hurt to give a little shout out to @XNine and @Mads1 about these suggestions. Maybe, one day, we figure something out with one of those guys smile.gif
post #717 of 2143
What about triple pass rads? The round tubes will help keep liquid flow restriction low, so a 3rd pass allowing the ports to be on opposite sides for a cleaner loop would be nice. That would help get multiple ports and aid in air bleeding also, while not having the performance deficit of standard single pass X-Flow rads.
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Just thought of this, some form of color customization like the metal beams on the new Tube res. Maybe make the metal plating/accent removable and sell colored variants (metal or plastic).

The overall aesthetic should match current Heatkiller products as well.
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What about triple pass rads? The round tubes will help keep liquid flow restriction low, so a 3rd pass allowing the ports to be on opposite sides for a cleaner loop would be nice. That would help get multiple ports and aid in air bleeding also, while not having the performance deficit of standard single pass X-Flow rads.

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Just thought of this, some form of color customization like the metal beams on the new Tube res. Maybe make the metal plating/accent removable and sell colored variants (metal or plastic).

The overall aesthetic should match current Heatkiller products as well.
I love both ideas! We'll definitely look into those! Keep it coming, folks biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Watercool-Jakob View Post

Well the thing with the HTSF2 line is: it is old. SERIOUSLY OLD! I don't know the exact year right now, but I think, it was released around 2011... So, yes, that's the main reason why we start this massive overhauling right now: our current radiator series is getting a bit long in the tooth, and can't really compete against newer models.
I will pass your suggestions on, thanks a lot, this is very helpful for us!
Hm, wrong place to ask, and that twice. Sorry, bro. We are currently not interested in AiO watercooling systems. I do know that there is a market for that, and especially for upgradeable systems, but it's just not what we personally like to do. As I said previously, we come from a engineering point of view, and from that perspective, AiO are always victims to a lot bad compromises. And a wellbalanced watercooling setup with premium components is always better, so that's what we aim for.
As for the case: we don't do cases, either... But hey, couldn't hurt to give a little shout out to @XNine and @Mads1 about these suggestions. Maybe, one day, we figure something out with one of those guys smile.gif

I wasn't really asking. I was putting my thoughts out there. I really see AIO's as something that has a higher market potential than a complete build your own custom loop. I prefer AIO's because everything is all in one place and you do not have to mount all the extra stuff in different spots and what not. It is also easier for maintenance. I have a Swifttech H240-X that does a great job, especially for being an AIO. I am seriously thinking of upgrading to the H320-X2 prestige edition. Primarily for more rad space and the (apparently) made for Swifttech only Noiseblocker fans.

But I have another issue. I did some minor mods to my case last night (weatherstripping) and I noticed that my tubing may be turning green on the inside again. Which may be oxidization from the copper in the block and the rad. I have some loop cleaning fluid that can clean that out pretty good, I just have to leave it in the loop for no less than 24 hours.

I use the Mayhems XT-1 additive but I don't think it has any anti corrosive in it.

So I'm thinking I will need to add some anti corrosive to the loop before I add my Heatkiller Pro IV block. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good anti corrosive that works great with the mayhems XT-1? Hopefully it will be available through Amazon prime so I can get it by the middle of the week.

I was really looking forward to installing that block and seeing how it performs. I am hoping to get slightly better temps than my current 30 deg at idle and 63 deg (max) under load with my Apogee waterblock in the H240-X AIO.
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