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post #11 of 1945
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Originally Posted by jimibgood View Post
It is terminology and the key word is "some". The processors did not perform up to specs. That's why they disabled the cores. It wasn't 1 core that made the chip not pass. Disabling 1 core made it a tri-core that passed the 720 minimum specs. It does not mean they are defective but we are talking in words. If they work, they are not defective. Plain and simple.


Intel did something similar years ago. At this point, I am not saying they are or are not defective. Its an interpretation but if you unlock the 4th core and it works does that mean it was defective? Nope! when they tested them at AMD and they did not pass specs, they disable a core thus making it a tri-core. In most cases the 4th core works. Again is it defective???? Nope, maybe it wouldn't clock at the spec core frequency, but when they lock the 4th core it did. So saying this, unlocking the 4th works at least 90% of the time if not more.

It really is not worthless information. I fully read the explanation years ago when AMD first did this and someone "labelled" them as defective but as you attest, some are not defective!

I got an unlucky 940. Mine barely is stable at 3.7GHz(while others get higher). I cannot get higher but the chip passed the minimum spec for 940 so they released it as a 940. Chips that do not pass min requirements as advertised are thrown as a 720 tri core with 1 core locked. This does not mean the core is defective, it means the chip did not pass min req. advertised frequency. Again, the 4th core works and it is not defective.

Anytime you disable a core, you can clock the chip much higher. I locked 2 cores on my 940 and clocked it to 3.91GHz stable. I guess I have a 550 now? LOL but my 4 cores are not defective.

With all this in mind, someone at AMD made a great strategy. Instead of wasting those chips, they did what was explained above and saved the company a lot of money or maybe I should say made the company a lot more $ with these subpar chips. Some actually overclock very nicely and hang with the 940 with the 4th core enabled.

In closing you are WRONG.

In my background section, I think I explained things broad enough so that both you and Dopamine are correct. Let us leave it at that. SOME processors have defective cores, and others have cores which were disabled to meet market demands. Regardless, they were disabled for a reason. Broadly speaking, they did not meet AMD's quality control specifications for reasons unknown to the public. Since we have no method of determining which chips have defective cores, I will continue to use the term "defective" to encompass the disabled cores as well.
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post #12 of 1945
it is a nice guide.
and to jimibgood, your tone is totally unnecessary
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as dopamin3 said "some" that's that move along, quit trolling and disrespecting members.
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it is a nice guide.
and to jimibgood, your tone is totally unnecessary
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as dopamin3 said "some" that's that move along, quit trolling and disrespecting members.

Nothing disrespectful and its your interpretation of "the tone" and this is not trolling to stir anything up. Just responding and adding pertinent information to those who do not know the marketing strategy that AMD made in reference to the 720BE just as they did with the original Phenom release(defective core). Some use the term defective but in actuality, they are not as seen by the unlocking of the 4th core and getting overclocks in line with the 940. There was no explanation of the units that could not "unlock" the 4th core but some still refer to the 4th core as defective.

I have been following this for years and the OP made a nice observation. The term "defective" is not true in most cases but may be on those stingy units that have a locked core.

Look at it this way. In most probability, it is not 1 specific core causing this. It most likely is all 4 cores enabled making it a unstable chip. Disable 1 core and Bingo! a stable 720 tri core. Seeing this, it looks like AMD plain locked 1 core on those units.This is a true and potential possibility and that would not be the definition of a "defective" core.
Edited by jimibgood - 7/6/09 at 4:14pm
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post #15 of 1945
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Nothing disrespectful and its your interpretation of "the tone" and this is not trolling to stir anything up. Just responding and adding pertinent information to those who do not know the marketing strategy that AMD made in reference to the 720BE just as they did with the original Phenom release(defective core). Some use the term defective but in actuality, they are not as seen by the unlocking of the 4th core and getting overclocks in line with the 940. There was no explanation of the units that could not "unlock" the 4th core but some still refer to the 4th core as defective.

I have been following this for years and the OP made a nice observation. The term "defective" is not true in most cases but may be on those stingy units that have a locked core.

Look at it this way. In most probability, it is not 1 specific core causing this. It most likely is all 4 cores enabled making it a unstable chip. Disable 1 core and Bingo! a stable 720 tri core. Seeing this, it looks like AMD plain locked 1 core on those units.This is a true and potential possibility and that would not be the definition of a "defective" core.
Why are you still arguing about this ? Stop being so Pedantic about Semantics.
    
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Why are you still arguing about this ? Stop being so Pedantic about Semantics.

Please be respectful about my definition of "defective". I was not disrespectful to you. I was just explaining that some do not view these cores as defective. Many have the same feeling and that is why this is called a forum. It is in my rights to comment about the subject. AMD says these cores are not defective. They do not pass quality specs. Unless proved otherwise, I label them as disabled cores for the facts AMD has stated and described above.
Edited by jimibgood - 7/6/09 at 4:31pm
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ahaha that just made me laugh, also, for someone to even make this a guide is what puzzled me..there isnt really anything to learn or being taught in this thread..but this IS a great informative post for those that keeps on googling "amd phenom II unlock"; this is one post for all information. =] and theres quite a few of us using gigabyte boards in the 700 x3 thread. i was the first one i believe and it unlocks perfectly..
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Step 1: Ensure compatible motherboard.
Step 2: Ensure compatible bios version.
Step 3: Enable ACC.
Step 4: Party down.

There's my guide
I bought a 3.1Ghz Dual Core CPU @ 1.312v.
Running a 3.5Ghz Quad Core CPU @ 1.296v.
The temperatures blow my mind, too... 40C under Prime load !=O!
And that's just the beginning... Mua ha ha.
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raxen, you definitely need to add this to your guide, as it is not complete. On some boards including the Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P, you need to set the EC Firmware to Hybrid. I thought I had a "dud" chip, when I first tried unlocking the 4th core by just setting ACC to Auto. Once I changed EC Firmware to Hybrid, and then change ACC to Auto, I was able to unlock the 4th core.

Also you should make a list of MoBos and bios that work. The Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P with the F4G bios revision works.
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raxen, you definitely need to add this to your guide, as it is not complete. On some boards including the Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P, you need to set the EC Firmware to Hybrid. I thought I had a "dud" chip, when I first tried unlocking the 4th core by just setting ACC to Auto. Once I changed EC Firmware to Hybrid, and then change ACC to Auto, I was able to unlock the 4th core.

Also you should make a list of MoBos and bios that work. The Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P with the F4G bios revision works.
Duly noted and added to the guide. Mobo list will come later.
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