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Well, no noise at all no, but not like I'm banging my head on my keyboard
Unfortunately, that sound won't change. It'll sound better due to using a very high quality keyboard, but it won't be quieter. Except, it might seem slightly quieter just because it is a much nicer sound (some people love listening to it).

The reason why this model is called the "Silent" is because the Cherry MX Browns are a tactile, but non-clicky switch. This means that the switch itself does not produce a mechanical click when it is pressed down. But this description is completely independent and unrelated to the sound of just pounding away on a keyboard. That sound is called "clacky", and it's the sound of the keys being bottomed out due to being hit too hard (they go all the way to the bottom and then make the "clack" sound).

But this doesn't mean clicky switches such as the Cherry MX Blues are loud. Instead, it's closer to the sound that a retractable pen makes when you press the pen's button. Only, the typical retractable pen produces a louder click than a single Cherry MX Blue switch. Additionally, the click that a Cherry MX Blue switch makes is a bit of a nicer sound as well. It also adds a feeling of increased precision when typing, especially if you are in a quiet room where you can clearly hear each subtle little click. But this isn't to say that you won't love the Browns. I bet you will!

So in other words, the Model S Silent is incapable of being quiet like a really nice laptop or something. However again, it'll certainly have a much nicer sound due to the high quality of the keyboard. So it won't be as irritating which can in turn make it much easier to listen to.
Edited by TwoCables - 12/23/10 at 3:46pm
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Unfortunately, that sound won't change. It'll sound better due to using a very high quality keyboard, but it won't be quieter. Except, it might seem slightly quieter just because it is a much nicer sound (some people love listening to it).

The reason why this model is called the "Silent" is because the Cherry MX Browns are a tactile, but non-clicky switch. This means that the switch itself does not produce a mechanical click when it is pressed down. But this description is completely independent and unrelated to the sound of just pounding away on a keyboard. That sound is called "clacky", and it's the sound of the keys being bottomed out due to being hit too hard (they go all the way to the bottom and then make the "clack" sound).

But this doesn't mean clicky switches such as the Cherry MX Blues are loud. Instead, it's closer to the sound that a retractable pen makes when you press the pen's button. Only, the typical retractable pen produces a louder click than a single Cherry MX Blue switch. Additionally, the click that a Cherry MX Blue switch makes is a bit of a nicer sound as well. It also adds a feeling of increased precision when typing, especially if you are in a quiet room where you can clearly hear each subtle little click. But this isn't to say that you won't love the Browns. I bet you will!

So in other words, the Model S Silent is incapable of being quiet like a really nice laptop or something. However again, it'll certainly have a much nicer sound due to the high quality of the keyboard. So it won't be as irritating which can in turn make it much easier to listen to.
That must have been the most thoughtful post I've ever read in a long time, I understand why you have so much rep!

I think I'm rather looking at a soft/solid key press with an even sound, my current '94 Acer mechanical keyboard has this clicky-ness that is not annoying, but sometimes un-even so it feels a bit weird at some times.
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Even if you don't bottom out on Browns, they're quite loud relative to non-mechanicals. As are Topres, for the matter.
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That must have been the most thoughtful post I've ever read in a long time, I understand why you have so much rep!

I think I'm rather looking at a soft/solid key press with an even sound, my current '94 Acer mechanical keyboard has this clicky-ness that is not annoying, but sometimes un-even so it feels a bit weird at some times.
hehe

Regarding the clickiness of the Acer board, does it click when a key is pressed down slowly, but not all the way to the bottom?

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Even if you don't bottom out on Browns, they're quite loud relative to non-mechanicals. As are Topres, for the matter.
But the switch itself is not making a noise. That's why Das calls that model the "Silent". It is because the switch itself is practically silent. What you said here can make someone think that the Browns produce a sound that can be heard while using the keyboard.
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I bought the Das Silent and I'm loving it over my G110.
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hehe

Regarding the clickiness of the Acer board, does it click when a key is pressed down slowly, but not all the way to the bottom?


But the switch itself is not making a noise. That's why Das calls that model the "Silent". It is because the switch itself is practically silent. What you said here can make someone think that the Browns produce a sound that can be heard while using the keyboard.
Well, as soon as I press it, it makes a noise, even if it's not 100% down. The actual hit on the ground does not produce much noise (pressed slowly to differentiate) probably need to hit it hard.
I'm a light typer, so if the switch itself is quiet, I'll be a happy man
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But the switch itself is not making a noise. That's why Das calls that model the "Silent". It is because the switch itself is practically silent. What you said here can make someone think that the Browns produce a sound that can be heard while using the keyboard.
But they do. Even so-called non-clicky keyboards make some degree of noise during operation, even if you are not bottoming out on them.

What you said here can make someone think that Das marketing BS actually means something.

EDIT: Allow me to qualify this further. I'm not talking about some sort of snap noise at or near the point of actuation, I'm referring to the fact that the friction-ey nature of switches like the Brown Cherry mean that you get quite a lot of ambient din as you are typing away. Again, we're not talking about bottoming out, I understand the distinction.
Edited by ch_123 - 12/23/10 at 4:21pm
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Well, as soon as I press it, it makes a noise, even if it's not 100% down. The actual hit on the ground does not produce much noise (pressed slowly to differentiate) probably need to hit it hard.
I'm a light typer, so if the switch itself is quiet, I'll be a happy man
Oh, then that's definitely a clicky keyboard.

But yeah, being that you're a light typist, I have a feeling that you won't want to stop typing on the Das!

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But they do. Even so-called non-clicky keyboards make some degree of noise during operation, even if you are not bottoming out on them.
But it's not enough to call it "clicky". I know the sound you are talking about, but it just isn't enough to say that the switch is loud or anything. It's practically a "silent" switch. But this needs to stay in the context of a comparison to clicky mechanical switches. After all, that's why there are "clicky" and "non-clicky" switches instead of "clicky" and "non-clicky, but still make a little bit of noise during operation". Geez...

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What you said here can make someone think that Das marketing BS actually means something.
What do you mean?


Edit: Keep in mind that I used the word "practically" on purpose. I don't just toss sentences together without putting actual thought into it. I mean what I say, and I say what I mean. I always choose my words carefully.
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But it's not enough to call it "clicky". I know the sound you are talking about, but it just isn't enough to say that the switch is loud or anything. It's practically a "silent" switch. But this needs to stay in the context of a comparison to clicky mechanical switches. After all, that's why there are "clicky" and "non-clicky" switches instead of "clicky" and "non-clicky, but still make a little bit of noise during operation". Geez...
I don't recall saying that they're clicky. Merely that the sound produced by someone typing on them is still going to be noticeably louder than someone typing on a rubber dome keyboard even if they are not bottoming out. Note edit to previous post - some of this is to do with the construction of the keyboard, but some of it is to do with the design of the switch in general.

I know these things because I've actually typed on one.
Edited by ch_123 - 12/23/10 at 4:28pm
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I don't recall saying that they're clicky.
I didn't say that I think you said they are clicky. I was just saying that it's not enough noise to include in a description about the Browns, or in the description/name of a keyboard with the Browns in it.

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Merely that the sound produced by someone typing on them is still going to be noticeably louder than someone typing on a rubber dome keyboard even if they are not bottoming out. Note edit to previous post - some of this is construction related, but some of it is to do with the design of the switch in general.

I know these things because I've actually typed on one.
Fair enough. But I see two reasons why Das chose the word "Silent":
  1. The Cherry MX Browns are "non-clicky"
  2. The word "silent" sells better, even though it's technically a lie

If I had it my way, then I would have them change the name from "Silent" to something else that actually tells the truth. I have felt this way for an extremely long time now.
Edited by TwoCables - 12/23/10 at 4:38pm
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