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I'm not seeing my rep increase.

Kidding aside, those Korean springs are actually stronger than the Ergo Clear mod and should be closer to a Panda Clear.

No, Panda Clear uses a black spring and you're confusing cn with peak force.
Black actuation force is 60cn, Blue 50cn, and Brown/Red have 45cn. I don't think anyone has a solid number for cn on Korean Springs, but it's probably between 40 and 55 depending on which spring (55g, 62g, 65g). Blacks have 80g peak force, while Reds, Browns, and Blues have ~60g peak force, meaning 62g Korean Spring is about as close as you can get to cherry springs.
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Dang! that's a good deal! But I like the idea of just getting the stem and recycling the rest of the switch and the MX Red Spring. But still up in the air about which springs to get. What's your GH user name? Where can I get the stem?

Yes it was a good deal, and I'd honestly stick with your plan of only using the stem. The problem with 55g springs and even red/brown/blue springs (~60g), is that sometimes they can be too light to reset reliably. Most people who have done ergo clears in the past, using red/brown/blue springs, have gone through a lot of them and hand picked the ones that were able to reset reliably. It's for this reason I recommend 62g, but you can do whatever you like smile.gif

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No, Panda Clear uses a black spring and you're confusing cn with peak force.
Black actuation force is 60cn, Blue 50cn, and Brown/Red have 45cn. I don't think anyone has a solid number for cn on Korean Springs, but it's probably between 40 and 55 depending on which spring (55g, 62g, 65g). Blacks have 80g peak force, while Reds, Browns, and Blues have ~60g peak force, meaning 62g Korean Spring is about as close as you can get to cherry springs.

Thanks. There's so much info out there that gives different measurements. I've seen the springs for the different MX switches listed in grams (not the switches, but discussion on the springs), so I was going off of those numbers, but I guess they're stating the actuating force, not the spring weight.

It looks like I'll be passing on the springs then. Blues, Browns, and especially reds are way too light for me. I've always preferred something with a little more tactility and weight to depress than Blues. I wanted something lighter than a Black, but much heavier than a Red, Blue, or Brown. The 65g ones might do it, but might still be too light for me. Something like 70-75g would probably be perfect.
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Thanks. There's so much info out there that gives different measurements. I've seen the springs for the different MX switches listed in grams (not the switches, but discussion on the springs), so I was going off of those numbers, but I guess they're stating the actuating force, not the spring weight.

It looks like I'll be passing on the springs then. Blues, Browns, and especially reds are way too light for me. I've always preferred something with a little more tactility and weight to depress than Blues. I wanted something lighter than a Black, but much heavier than a Red, Blue, or Brown. The 65g ones might do it, but might still be too light for me. Something like 70-75g would probably be perfect.

I could be wrong, but I don't think anything between 65g and 80g exists. I'd seriously consider trying 65g being that they're only $12 for 100.

Something else worth noting is the leaf spring, which is why blues, browns, and reds have different actuation force, despite having the same coil spring.

Courtesy of rknize from GH - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40558.msg807985#msg807985
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Be careful not to conflate switch actuation force with spring force. The Cherry switch has two springs: the coil spring to return the stem and the leaf spring of the switch contacts. The two switches interact in different ways, depending on the design of the stem. That is why red/brown/blue switches have different actuation forces even though they all use the same spring. For tactile switches, the leaf spring increases the actuation force because it has to ride over the bump. There is also friction to take into account from the side-loading introduced byt he leaf spring. For a linear switch, the leaf spring will slightly reduce the actuation force because the ramp of the stem is making the leaf spring help it along.

The Koreans were wise to measure the force at the bottom of the stroke rather than at actuation. This mostly-eliminates the effect of the leaf spring, because the contact is now closed. Only a small amount of tension from the leaf remains on the stem.
     
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Might enter for the heck of it. My board is nothing special but wth.
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Might enter for the heck of it. My board is nothing special but wth.

All competition is good competition. biggrin.gif

(providing it's a modded board and not just stock) tongue.gif
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All competition is good competition. biggrin.gif

(providing it's a modded board and not just stock) tongue.gif

what is defined as modding?
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what is defined as modding?

Any modification really. I don't think buying a few keycaps would get you very far, but technically even that is "modding".
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How about keycaps and O-rings?

I have more plans for this board but that's all I've done so far!
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All competition is good competition. biggrin.gif

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what is defined as modding?

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Originally Posted by phillyd View Post

what is defined as modding?

Any modification really. I don't think buying a few keycaps would get you very far, but technically even that is "modding".

Pretty much this, extra keycaps are a start, but not very impressive, the really impressive stuff could be a custom made board, a modded board, a switch swap etc.
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