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It's merit should be visually apparent.

No. Many amazing mods aren't visually apparent. Some people, for example, do great mods with the controller and program the keyboard to do different things. There are a lot of other things that you can't see, like spring swaps or switch swaps or maybe an LED mod when the board didn't support LEDs before. Perhaps they also modded the plate so that they could stem swap without desoldering. There are tons of mods that aren't immediately apparent

It's a little ignorant to say a mod should be readily visually apparent. And even when they are, it is nice to know what someone did.
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I agree. I am just a contestent right now but would love to see it go more into depth about each persons keyboard. Thats why I posted in the thread instead of just filling out the form and not giving any background.

Good on you. I really do like to see the background before voting. I like to vote based on what they did, not just looks.
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Maybe make a thread if you want to enter and link to it, including any desired info?
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Yeah, whoever's in charge of that competition should really fix it. rolleyes.gif

If you have a good idea for the competition, here or the recommended board thread, you can just PM me, I'm open to good ideas.

I didn't put the description below the pics because then people will be more likely to vote for the ones with the heavy modding, and I wanted people who can't do such heavy modding to have a chance also.

I've put descriptions by the pics, I also noticed that all the "Entry 1, Entry 2" etc weren't the same size, I must've tried to submit the update when the internet went down. mad.gif

Also for future reference, if you're going to have a description of the board by your entry, then you need to put make your description informative and concise, not everyone has the same level of knowledge in here.
Edited by Paradigm84 - 4/3/13 at 5:12am
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I didn't put the description below the pics because then people will be more likely to vote for the ones with the heavy modding, and I wanted people who can't do such heavy modding to have a chance also..

Why is that a bad thing? Are we saying that KotM is a looks only competition and not a mod competition then?
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I didn't put the description below the pics because then people will be more likely to vote for the ones with the heavy modding, and I wanted people who can't do such heavy modding to have a chance also..

Why is that a bad thing? Are we saying that KotM is a looks only competition and not a mod competition then?

It's not necessarily a good thing as we don't have that many people entering to start with, if it seems that other people can't win then we'll only have the same super-enthusiasts entering, and given the rules on how often you can win, we'll end up having months where no-one can win.

The competition is designed to introduce the idea of modding to some of the users of the site, not to just repeatedly award people who are already familiar with modding.

Regarding the competition being a "looks only" competition, I'm not saying it should be that, but I know a large proportion of the people who are voting will vote that way, whether you like it or not.

OCN has a large community of mechanical board owners, but not all of them are interested in extensive modding, so to try and make the competition based on how extensive the mods are wouldn't work.

As requested I've put the descriptions I've been provided by the respective images, and as previously mentioned, to keep doing this I really need proper descriptions of the mods.

TL;DR - This isn't Geekhack, we don't have enough people doing very extensive modding to make the rules of the competition exclude just changing keycaps worthwhile, so the competition will stay as it is.
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This debate is akin to case modding arguments of people painting just details (like PCI-E covers and fan rings) and calling it a "mod". It is indeed a Modification from the original, and for many people that's already as creative as they are comfortable with. Many observers admire such "mods", and the degree of modification vs. the amount of appreciation for various reasons is always ambiguous and subjective. You can have a barely modified case with gorgeous DSLR photos and post processing getting lots of admiration vs. people who've drilled, dremeled, and soldered, and painted and got barely any. Add expensive parts by well-known brands to the mix, and the percent that cares about what you did with the CASE grows even smaller.

My point is, these contests are 1. public, 2. subjective, 3. open-ended in the sense that there are no guidelines to voting. It's up to the community to decide--subjectively--what counts to them. As you may see from various voting results, looks matter a lot, so that trend is going to continue. Unless you specifically say "vote for whoever did the most work", which will be prompting people to list as many modifications as possible and hope to win on that basis. There's no good way to do this for such a broad user base on OCN, as it's not a keyboard-specific site, and many people don't even use mechanical keyboards.
   
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It's not necessarily a good thing as we don't have that many people entering to start with, if it seems that other people can't win then we'll only have the same super-enthusiasts entering, and given the rules on how often you can win, we'll end up having months where no-one can win.

Then perhaps limit how often you can enter or limit the entries to only keyboards that are your own? Or maybe introduce classes like they have in the case modding categories?
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The competition is designed to introduce the idea of modding to some of the users of the site, not to just repeatedly award people who are already familiar with modding.

I can understand that, but I'm not really sure how giving a brief description of the mods would discourage people. I like looking at the pretty keyboards, but also like to know exactly what I'm looking at. There are some keyboards that are up for MotM that I don't know what key caps they're using, what keyboard it is, or even how they painted it. I think amateurs and old hats alike benefit from seeing a brief description since it gives them ideas. I know that one of the first KotM winners inspired me to mod my QFR that later won a KotM, but I only did it because I knew what they did and had a little info. I know my KotM inspired some people in here and over at Reddit to mod their keyboard shell as well. And that mod gave me the confidence to go on and do my first "real" mod with the RK-9000. Before that mod, I had very little experience with soldering and doing that kind of work.
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Regarding the competition being a "looks only" competition, I'm not saying it should be that, but I know a large proportion of the people who are voting will vote that way, whether you like it or not.

OCN has a large community of mechanical board owners, but not all of them are interested in extensive modding, so to try and make the competition based on how extensive the mods are wouldn't work.

I don't care how people vote, I'd just like them to be informed, to know more about the keyboard than just what a glance shows them. If they want to vote on looks, that's their right, but they should be able to make an informed decision. Not only that, but there are many times when I'm just curious about the caps the have or how they got a particular look or even what keyboard it is. Without any description, I'm at a loss.

And for me, knowing what they did can be a tiebreaker. There may be two boards that are tied for first in my mind, but one has more interesting or challenging work done to it, so it gets my vote instead.
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As requested I've put the descriptions I've been provided by the respective images, and as previously mentioned, to keep doing this I really need proper descriptions of the mods.

TL;DR - This isn't Geekhack, we don't have enough people doing very extensive modding to make the rules of the competition exclude just changing keycaps worthwhile, so the competition will stay as it is.

Thanks. It's just nice to be able to know more about what was done instead of just looking at a pretty picture.
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This debate is akin to case modding arguments of people painting just details (like PCI-E covers and fan rings) and calling it a "mod". It is indeed a Modification from the original, and for many people that's already as creative as they are comfortable with. Many observers admire such "mods", and the degree of modification vs. the amount of appreciation for various reasons is always ambiguous and subjective. You can have a barely modified case with gorgeous DSLR photos and post processing getting lots of admiration vs. people who've drilled, dremeled, and soldered, and painted and got barely any. Add expensive parts by well-known brands to the mix, and the percent that cares about what you did with the CASE grows even smaller.

My point is, these contests are 1. public, 2. subjective, 3. open-ended in the sense that there are no guidelines to voting. It's up to the community to decide--subjectively--what counts to them. As you may see from various voting results, looks matter a lot, so that trend is going to continue. Unless you specifically say "vote for whoever did the most work", which will be prompting people to list as many modifications as possible and hope to win on that basis. There's no good way to do this for such a broad user base on OCN, as it's not a keyboard-specific site, and many people don't even use mechanical keyboards.

All I'm saying is that we should allow people to make informed opinions. If they want to decide based on looks, that's their prerogative. The same goes if they want to vote based on the skill the mod took. As such, I think that we should give them the available information on the mod. For example, in the case MOTM competition, they link to the build log alongside the pictures. I'm not saying we need to change the way that voting is done or have massive descriptions, just that we should know more about the mod than a picture only.
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Hey all, I just picked up a Max Keyboards Nighthawk x8 (w/orange led) and I have to say I forgot how awesome it is to type on a Mech keyboard. The last time I used a Mech was probably in grade 6! Everything from the feel, to the noise, to the look of my new board is completely satisfying! Hats off to you Max Keyboards! biggrin.gif
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Got my quickfire TK today. Blue's, in my opinion, aren't as loud as people say they are. I really like the feel compared to my old KB tho. Might take me a while to get used to this tongue.gif

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Then perhaps limit how often you can enter or limit the entries to only keyboards that are your own? Or maybe introduce classes like they have in the case modding categories?

You can already currently only win 3 times a year and not two months in a row, however I'm thinking of changing it to only once per year and not two months in a row.

Also I'm thinking of getting a Realforce 88UB, someone stop me. D:
Edited by Paradigm84 - 4/4/13 at 8:41am
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