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It's a modding competition, not a "which is the best keyboard" competition, not everyone wants to vote on just the extent of the mods and which board is the best quality, and trying to change the rules to make it so you can only vote on the modding would A) Reduce the competition to less than 5 people in all likelihood and B) Not work because the aesthetics of the board will always place a part, whether you mean it to or not when pictures are included.

Also whether or not the board "looks better" is entirely subjective.
I realise looks is very much subjective. However, Is it a modding competition? As far as I knew it was a Keyboard of the month. Not Keyboard mod of the month. Anyway, even if it is a modding competition I would say a custom keyboard with mods is a much better accomplishment than an out of the box keyboard with some vinyl sticker on it.

Not everyone has the know-how or funds to build a custom keyboard with mods, hence why it is open to any customised keyboard owners.

I would like to have a competition where it was just modded keyboards, but we don't have the community (yet, at least) for it.
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We had this discussion nearly exactly for last months's competition or one before--can't recall. It came down to the fact that this is not a specialized keyboard site (like GH), and people of all sorts of hardware expertise partisipate on OCN. Some believe in doing minimal modding, some go for looks, and some do a lot of research on keyboards and do heavy-duty modding. Because the competition is open to everyone, "modding", again, is subjective, and people vote on what they like most. It's really like the case modding area. Some people post logs of doing little more than putting a lot of expensive hardware in, painting a detail or two, make a window, and call it a mod. They have a lot of followers and people cheering them on, so clearly there are people who appreciate all sorts of things.
   
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We had this discussion nearly exactly for last months's competition or one before--can't recall. It came down to the fact that this is not a specialized keyboard site (like GH), and people of all sorts of hardware expertise partisipate on OCN. Some believe in doing minimal modding, some go for looks, and some do a lot of research on keyboards and do heavy-duty modding. Because the competition is open to everyone, "modding", again, is subjective, and people vote on what they like most. It's really like the case modding area. Some people post logs of doing little more than putting a lot of expensive hardware in, painting a detail or two, make a window, and call it a mod. They have a lot of followers and people cheering them on, so clearly there are people who appreciate all sorts of things.

You are correct. tongue.gif

I know that a lot of you more experienced keyboard modders might get annoyed that you are getting less votes than someone who did little to no modding, but at this point there's nothing I could change in the rules to make it work, as I said, if I just limited it to "modded" boards in the traditional sense that you think of, then the competition would be so small it wouldn't even be worth doing.

People are buying new boards all the time, for many of them it's their first and I've seen a lot of people show interest in modding their keyboards to look even better, and even people who want to build their own but don't necessarily know how to start or what to do.

Maybe if some of you more experienced modders wanted to, we could get a "How to Make Your Own Custom Mechanical Keyboard" guide written and we'd get more people submitting more heavily submitted mods for the competition. I could put the guide together and sort the formatting if you didn't have the time for it. smile.gif

But anyway, for the time being the competition stays as is unless I get a large group of people wanting it to be changed, remember if you have ideas or suggestions then I'm almost always available to talk via PM. smile.gif

Who knows, in a year every month the competition could be filled with heavily modded boards. thumb.gif
post #12904 of 36848
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Not everyone has the know-how or funds to build a custom keyboard with mods, hence why it is open to any customised keyboard owners.

I would like to have a competition where it was just modded keyboards, but we don't have the community (yet, at least) for it.
Yeah I know, I'm just surprised that the BW is/was winning. I just don't think credits given where its due.

Anyway, I'm not meaning to hate on others efforts. It's just not my cup of tea.
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Not everyone has the know-how or funds to build a custom keyboard with mods, hence why it is open to any customised keyboard owners.

I would like to have a competition where it was just modded keyboards, but we don't have the community (yet, at least) for it.
Yeah I know, I'm just surprised that the BW is/was winning. I just don't think credits given where its due.

Anyway, I'm not meaning to hate on others efforts. It's just not my cup of tea.

I can understand totally, there's a lot of under-the-hood type work that people don't see in a simple picture, but I'm not sure how to change that to favour modding?

Maybe if each vote for modded keyboards had some kind of multiplier for the votes they recieve? e.g. you start of with a 1x multiplier for just different keycaps, then you get maybe 0.1 added to the multiplier for a vinyl wrap, 0.2 for a paint job, 0.5 for a custom board, 0.1 for switch change, 0.05 for stickered/ lubed switches, 0.2 for layout changes, or something like that. The only problems with that would be it would be easily to manipulate to boost the multiplier and the multiplier would need a giant amount of fine tuning to make it competitive still, otherwise the people with the lesser modded boards will be discouraged from entering, which is not great for the competition at this point in it's infancy.
post #12906 of 36848
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I can understand totally, there's a lot of under-the-hood type work that people don't see in a simple picture, but I'm not sure how to change that to favour modding?

Maybe if each vote for modded keyboards had some kind of multiplier for the votes they recieve? e.g. you start of with a 1x multiplier for just different keycaps, then you get maybe 0.1 added to the multiplier for a vinyl wrap, 0.2 for a paint job, 0.5 for a custom board, 0.1 for switch change, 0.05 for stickered/ lubed switches, 0.2 for layout changes, or something like that. The only problems with that would be it would be easily to manipulate to boost the multiplier and the multiplier would need a giant amount of fine tuning to make it competitive still, otherwise the people with the lesser modded boards will be discouraged from entering, which is not great for the competition at this point in it's infancy.

Eh, I think thats getting too complicated. I don't think anything needs to change with the KOTM, I just don't think many people realise what the KMAC is and hence the lack of votes.

Anyway look at this beast!
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I think you should just leave it up to straight votes. If people think a newegg roswell mech with alternate WASD is better then the guy who modded the board to change the layout, then that's what they think is better.

Can't make the community into something it's not tongue.gif.
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Indeed! Also progress is being made on the custom keycap for the winners. biggrin.gif

Are we still voting on April's KOTM? Or is there a May thread I can't find?
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I Just got my Cherry MX brown purple LED Ducky shine II keyboard about a week and a half ago. It's my first mech keyboard, and Wonderful keyboard I must say! thumbsupsmiley.png. Although my typing speed reduced greatly from 99WPM AVG to 78WPM redface.gif, I think it's just gonna take a few more months for me to get accustomed to typing on it. BTW, Gaming on it is freaking awesome! biggrin.gif. Best keyboard so far, no complaints at ALL. They did not have them in stock for weeks, and i kept waiting for one to pop up, and it did tongue.gif. well worth the wait also wink.gif





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I realise looks is very much subjective. However, Is it a modding competition? As far as I knew it was a Keyboard of the month. Not Keyboard mod of the month. Anyway, even if it is a modding competition I would say a custom keyboard with mods is a much better accomplishment than an out of the box keyboard with some vinyl sticker on it.

If that were the case, mine would have a vote or two for it in the contest since the plate and case are modded, the switches were desoldered, lubed, springs replaced, switches stickered, and put back together. Most of the keyboards just have new key caps tossed on them, a cable someone else made for them, or a vinyl wrap. To me, that's not really something worth voting for.

As evidenced by the votes though, it's not a modding competition. To even get the brief description of the keyboard took a lot of pushing from me. I wanted to make it so that you could actually see what people were submitting and what they had done to the keyboard so they could make an informed vote. I think it's important to know what kinds of things people did to the keyboard to vote, but not everyone does.

And I am sad that the BW with just a Dinoc job is up there in the lead, but a large part of that is because I hate Dinoc and I think it's cliche in addition to being ugly in large amounts. It's best as an accent and even then I often hate it. Instead, I voted for the Kmac because I know how much work goes into a board like that and the end result with the choice of colors and key caps was stunning.
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I Just got my Cherry MX brown purple LED Ducky shine II keyboard about a week and a half ago. It's my first mech keyboard, and Wonderful keyboard I must say! thumbsupsmiley.png. Although my typing speed reduced greatly from 99WPM AVG to 78WPM redface.gif, I think it's just gonna take a few more months for me to get accustomed to typing on it. BTW, Gaming on it is freaking awesome! biggrin.gif. Best keyboard so far, no complaints at ALL. They did not have them in stock for weeks, and i kept waiting for one to pop up, and it did tongue.gif. well worth the wait also wink.gif]

Love the purple. Far too few people get purple/fuschia LEDs IMO. They just look so sexy.
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