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Just got a filco 2 tkl the other day and I love feel of the switches, but I don't get where people say the quality is top notch on this thing. I would hate to see how the cheaper mech keyboard perform in comprassion. I guess for $150 I expected a better quality product.

The keycaps feel very thin and brittle, a lot of the tops of the keycaps have gotten little scratches from god knows what, as I don't have long nails and have been babying it. Then most of the longer modifiers keys are wobbly and make a rattling sound. All the keys also have this distinct pinging sound when any key is pressed and depressed. It's extremely annoying when you're typing in a silent room. I don't mind the clacking sound from bottoming out, but it should be called Click, Ping, Clack instead of Click, Clack.

Most likely going to be returning this.
    
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Fair enough, but yeesh they're expensive. Far more than I'm willing to pay.
yeah but they're custom korean keyboards. not mass produced ones.
hence why they're expensive.
also they come with easy to mod features unlike mass produced boards.

that being said, i agree its a bit much for a keyboard, i haven't gotten to that level yet. then again you're talking to someone with a realforce so im sure i'll be there soon
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Originally Posted by gene-z View Post

Just got a filco 2 tkl the other day and I love feel of the switches, but I don't get where people say the quality is top notch on this thing. I would hate to see how the cheaper mech keyboard perform in comprassion. I guess for $150 I expected a better quality product.

The keycaps feel very thin and brittle, a lot of the tops of the keycaps have gotten little scratches from god knows what, as I don't have long nails and have been babying it. Then most of the longer modifiers keys are wobbly and make a rattling sound. All the keys also have this distinct pinging sound when any key is pressed and depressed. It's extremely annoying when you're typing in a silent room. I don't mind the clacking sound from bottoming out, but it should be called Click, Ping, Clack instead of Click, Clack.

Most likely going to be returning this.

The keycaps aren't known to be that great, but the build of the PCB and the fact that it uses a steel backplate and costar stabilizers are why it's lauded as much as it is.
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Just got a filco 2 tkl the other day and I love feel of the switches, but I don't get where people say the quality is top notch on this thing. I would hate to see how the cheaper mech keyboard perform in comprassion. I guess for $150 I expected a better quality product.

The keycaps feel very thin and brittle, a lot of the tops of the keycaps have gotten little scratches from god knows what, as I don't have long nails and have been babying it. Then most of the longer modifiers keys are wobbly and make a rattling sound. All the keys also have this distinct pinging sound when any key is pressed and depressed. It's extremely annoying when you're typing in a silent room. I don't mind the clacking sound from bottoming out, but it should be called Click, Ping, Clack instead of Click, Clack.

Most likely going to be returning this.
was your board new?
what switches are you using?

From my experience with MX red/blue/brown filcos, i haven't heard about anything in terms of that sound you're getting.

Regarding the stabilizers, it shouldn't "rattle", but it maybe a little loose. Only problems i've heard were squeaks which you can solve by lube.

And yeah the keycaps are standard OEM profile ABS, but pretty much every manufacture's using these types of caps unless you get a PBT Ducky.
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All the problems I've listed, I've googled, and there are numerous people complaining about the same things. I don't think it's a bad board.
    
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All the problems I've listed, I've googled, and there are numerous people complaining about the same things. I don't think it's a bad board.
again, what switch are we talking about?
im curious as not many people complain about it on geekhack, which is a bigger keyboard community than OCN (course there's cross members)

**EDIT**

oh your switch is pinging, this supposedly happens on all MX Switches and will only drive you crazy if you think about it.

Not just on filcos.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/search?q=Ping&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

The irony that i'm posting some helpful information from tp4tissue:
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Filcos are far from perfect..

EVERY mx-key-switch will ping upon the rebound course of the key strike.

Some keys might ping worse than others.

You will not hear the ping on MX-blue-switches, because the click noise that occurs right before the rebound ping is much louder than the ping; thus your temporal lobe will usually fail to resolve a quiet noise immediately after a loud one.

----the same principal is used behind MP3 lossy encoding

----This is also why you more often hear pings on Brown/Black/Red switches, because they do not have the artificial blue-click to mask the ping noise.

----But, to be clear, the ping noise is prevalent on EVERY color-type switch,, and is Never limited to a isolate bad-switches on any given keyboard.

If you WANT to hear the ping,, Put your head really close to the board,, EVERY switch will ping on the rebound

It also depends on how quickly you release the switch
---if released quickly, the rebounding stem will achieve full momentum, generating a loud ping
---if released slowly, this will essentially reduce the impulse upon impact acting on the rebounding stem, THUS, reducing ping
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=29277.msg559765#msg559765

welcome to The McRip Effect
Edited by azianai - 12/27/13 at 10:56am
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The only way I can recreate a 'pinging' effect on my MX Blues are by making really rough/hard keystrokes.
 
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I haven't even noticed a pinging sound on mine, maybe I wasn't looking for it. tongue.gif
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I put my ear right next to my MX Blue Costar. I can here a ping if I try really hard but it's hard to impossible to here it while typing. I can sort of hear it on my QFR (which is Costar, correct?) but it's more of an echo. Nothing to worry about.
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Originally Posted by azianai View Post

again, what switch are we talking about?
im curious as not many people complain about it on geekhack, which is a bigger keyboard community than OCN (course there's cross members)

**EDIT**

oh your switch is pinging, this supposedly happens on all MX Switches and will only drive you crazy if you think about it.

Not just on filcos.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/search?q=Ping&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

The irony that i'm posting some helpful information from tp4tissue:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=29277.msg559765#msg559765

welcome to The McRip Effect

It's a brown switch. And the pinging is only noticed on certain keys and some are really louder than others. Like my arrow keys sound perfect and I'll only hear a very faint ping if I put my ear up to them, which is acceptable to me and I don't hear them during normal usage. But then I have other keys where I can be leaned back in my chair and hear the ping really loud, to the point I hear it echoing inside the keyboard housing. This seems like a defect to me, especially when people talk about soldiering on new switches and opening up the existing switch to reseat the spring to fix the problem.

And this dumb mcrip effect you speak of is a bit silly. When I start spending upwards of $150 on a simple peripheral such a keyboard, I expect something of top notch quality. I mean, come on, the stock keycaps on my dell keyboard feel of better quality that this keyboard, and that thing probably cost $15.

edit: I've also read that pinging is amplified when you get a plate mounted mech keyboard and PCB mounted is much better for muffling the sound of pinging.
Edited by gene-z - 12/27/13 at 12:17pm
    
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