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I'll definitely admit that I haven't. Though, I don't see a use in my own setup. My G700s has plenty of buttons for my own uses and may even have more than I'll actually use regularly. That may partially be due to me not being the worlds best gamer or just me not finding the usefulness of a ton of buttons. I had a G500 and didn't need any more buttons than that mouse had but, I switched to the G700s because it was on sale and my G500 was acting up. The only time I have ever thought about wanting more mouse buttons was setting up a media profile for my G700s but, I have never needed more for games. To relate it back to earlier posts in our conversation, I can see why some people would want one (Naga/G600), it just isn't necessarily the right choice for everyone (myself included).

EDIT: Also, I'm curious about what you like so much in the Naga. Could you possibly give some of your thoughts on it? Just curious to hear why you like having so many buttons. I enjoy discussing things like this with people who's opinions differ from my own, so please don't take this question (or any of this discussion for that matter) as an attack/in an offensive way, its purely out of curiosity. smile.gif

My simplest answer...RTS games, especially when I used to play competitively. Having squad groups and actions such as 'attack' 'move attack' 'retreat' is extremely useful to have. I've used it in MMOs and RPGs also, as well as applications, again custom keymapping for batching where traditional batching techniques may not be available. I am a little luckier than some maybe, because I have no issues being able to reach all 12 buttons on the side, so I make use of them...probably because of my demented guitarist fingers tongue.gif
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If you have no need for a Naga or can't see a use for one, the keypad would be even more useless.
that's the point.

Refer to the discussion It's not about whether an mmo mouse is useful or not for everyone, its about MMO mouse versus the utility of a keypad.
The keypad doesn't compare because it's extra, auxillary, it's an extra, it requires your to take your hand off the keyboard completely to use.
Mouse does not.

Pretty much trumps the whole point right there.

Again remember, this is not about MMO mouse versus any other mouse, its about the addition of a keypad versus advacing the native set up with an MMO mouse.

Agreed, both items have their markets. Not trying to say one would be useful for me (like the Naga/G600), just saying some people could find them useful.

It is an extra peripheral, not denying that, I do think that it has a place for people that need/want something aside from their keyboard for whatever reason (extra bindings, better ergonomics/layout, a layout specifically set for only games, 5+ profiles for different types of games/programs, extra long macros, ability to choose from a wider selection of keyboards and mice that aren't necessarily gaming oriented, etc.)

I think that it isn't just a discussion about "If you don't see the use in a Naga/G600, these are also useless". Even if it is a simple matter of "I don't like how the Naga/G600 looks/feels", I think the Orbweaver/Nostromo have their own markets (which probably don't usually overlap if I had to guess).
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EDIT: Also, I'm curious about what you like so much in the Naga. Could you possibly give some of your thoughts on it? Just curious to hear why you like having so many buttons. I enjoy discussing things like this with people who's opinions differ from my own, so please don't take this question (or any of this discussion for that matter) as an attack/in an offensive way, its purely out of curiosity. smile.gif

correction on jargan and lingo, clairifaction.

When I say "Naga" I mean the MMORPG class of mice that have the 12 pad buttons, and the Naga HEX
Naga Standard+HEX
logitech G600
UtechSmart Venus*
Redragon Perdition*

(*=I've not tested them to make sure their keypads work properly and have multi button press functionality on the thumb pad.)
I am excluding the Corsair Vengeance M95 for its extremely poor keypad ergo and its lack of mutli button press functionality, RAT7 MMO for its godawful hatswitch attemt that's a total failure of a mouse.

Naga is just a simple word to refer to mice that are designed with large array keypads on the thumb.
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Had a nice pair of parcels in the letterbox when I got home!



Installed...temporary position for the Health and Mana keys.




Please don't kill me for not cleaning the keyboard before the photo...it's been a busy morning tongue.gif

They have a great feel and quality to them. My only gripe if any, the Health Key isn't as "transparent" as the other two keys. The other two have a somewhat perforated backing to them for light to shine through but the Health one doesn't. I'll contact the manufacturer to see what the deal is, but either way it looks great!

I'd seen these caps and thought they were just decorative - ie: replace the ESC key etc.
Never even thought of using them for the actual in-game function.
/facepalm.

Does anyone make similar ones for media functions for keyboards where buttons have been remapped?
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I already explained why I this device is useful, It's an extra composite array of functionality built into an already native setup device.
Once you use one you'll understand just how wide a range of usage those buttons will have.

here's a guide I wrote: https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32650-utilizing-the-naga-with-wildstarnagag600/
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I'd seen these caps and thought they were just decorative - ie: replace the ESC key etc.
Never even thought of using them for the actual in-game function.
/facepalm.

Does anyone make similar ones for media functions for keyboards where buttons have been remapped?

Yeah I'm not sure what ingame power the Zelda one will give me yet tongue.gif

These keys were from Keypop and they fit the full top row, at least for my board they are all the same size and height as the escape key.
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My simplest answer...RTS games, especially when I used to play competitively. Having squad groups and actions such as 'attack' 'move attack' 'retreat' is extremely useful to have. I've used it in MMOs and RPGs also, as well as applications, again custom keymapping for batching where traditional batching techniques may not be available. I am a little luckier than some maybe, because I have no issues being able to reach all 12 buttons on the side, so I make use of them...probably because of my demented guitarist fingers tongue.gif

I can definitely see the Naga being useful for something like that and I think that the Orbweaver/Nostromo would be useful for someone wanting to do something similar who doesn't quite have that level of thumb dexterity smile.gif I know I personally wouldn't be able to use a Naga type mouse for something like this as easily as I could an Orbweaver type device.
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correction on jargan and lingo, clairifaction.

When I say "Naga" I mean the MMORPG class of mice that have the 12 pad buttons, and the Naga HEX
Naga Standard+HEX
logitech G600
UtechSmart Venus*
Redragon Perdition*

(*=I've not tested them to make sure their keypads work properly and have multi button press functionality on the thumb pad.)
I am excluding the Corsair Vengeance M95 for its extremely poor keypad ergo and its lack of mutli button press functionality, RAT7 MMO for its godawful hatswitch attemt that's a total failure of a mouse.

Naga is just a simple word to refer to mice that are designed with large array keypads on the thumb.

Mhm, I know what you're talking about.
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I can definitely see the Naga being useful for something like that and I think that the Orbweaver/Nostromo would be useful for someone wanting to do something similar who doesn't quite have that level of thumb dexterity smile.gif I know I personally wouldn't be able to use a Naga type mouse for something like this as easily as I could an Orbweaver type device.
no offense but /Facepalm.

Any gamer would have no execuse, anyone who's ever used a TV remote would really have no excuse either, only one that would have a legit excuse is "I dont have a right hand thumb"
If you've ever used a controller for a game, you definitely have enough dex to use a thumb keypad on a mouse.

I have muscle problems, like legitimate neuromuscular diagnosis, and a Naga has HELPED cope with that.
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Note, I'm not saying a keypad is completely useless, I'm sure someone could use it well, but again versus the utility of a naga mouse in a native set up, the keypad will always be an extra layer of complexity that can easily be replaced by something native.
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no offense but /Facepalm.

Any gamer would have no execuse, anyone who's ever used a TV remote would really have no excuse either, only one that would have a legit excuse is "I dont have a right hand thumb"
If you've ever used a controller for a game, you definitely have enough dex to use a thumb keypad on a mouse.

I have muscle problems, like legitimate neuromuscular diagnosis, and a Naga has HELPED cope with that.

I think that for me personally, it would be more comfortable to use an external device like the Orbweaver than a Naga. I think saying the Naga is like a 360 controller or TV remote is an unfair comparison. It may be because I haven't had much time using a Naga but, the 360 controller has much larger buttons that have more space between them and is much easier to use accurately. I don't think I would be able to easily put to use that many small, close together buttons. As for a TV remote, they don't require precise, rapid button presses (and also will most likely have larger buttons).

I don't doubt that the Naga has helped you and I'm really glad that you have found a device that works well for you.

Different people will find different things more or less comfortable.

Once again, I don't mean for this to be an argument or personal attack or anything like that, I just enjoy discussing views that differ from mine and I hope you aren't taking our conversation the wrong way.
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