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Originally Posted by simonfredette View Post

way I see it if its not a dome its mechanical .. I see it as black and white but then again I never heard that there was any doubt that topres were switches and lasltly ive never tried them so ..

Except that they are rubberdome keyboards. The only difference is they use what is probably a more reliable mechanism for registering key presses with the spring and capacitative pad. However, based on the reviews I've read where a Topre keyboard was disassembled, the springs did not contribute anything noticeable to the feeling. A Topre is just a fancy rubberdome that uses higher quality rubber and has better build quality.
     
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Originally Posted by ChaoticKinesis View Post

Except that they are rubberdome keyboards. The only difference is they use what is probably a more reliable mechanism for registering key presses with the spring and capacitative pad. However, based on the reviews I've read where a Topre keyboard was disassembled, the springs did not contribute anything noticeable to the feeling. A Topre is just a fancy rubberdome that uses higher quality rubber and has better build quality.


they are mechanical.... they use the same technology that touch screens use and combine them witha spring. The the rubber only servers as a buffer for the electricity
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http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switches

I retract my comment. It is a glorified rubberdome. THAT BEING SAID! It's still my favourite switch.
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They feel very different from any other rubber dome but you can still tell they are domes.
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Originally Posted by ChaoticKinesis View Post

based on the reviews I've read where a Topre keyboard was disassembled, the springs did not contribute anything noticeable to the feeling. A Topre is just a fancy rubberdome that uses higher quality rubber and has better build quality.

Having used a RealForce 87U extensively over the last 4 months, I can tell that part of the feeling of Topre comes from the linear force of the spring and the tactility provided by the rubber dome. It certainly feels different (IMO much better) from the common rubber domes.

Topre is my favourite switch for typing, but red is not far behind biggrin.gif

But again the question is whether Topre is "mechanical"... rolleyes.gif I'm still confused. Throwing out some random thoughts...

1. Why does the reliance on rubber and membranes in the actutation mechanism makes rubberdome not mechanical? Mechanical movement of parts is still involved in actuation.

2. If Topre is mechanical, then why is rubberdome not mechanical? Is actuation by change in capacity more mechanical than actuation by the actual contact of two membranes?
Edited by raisinbun - 9/9/12 at 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by Nuzart View Post

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switches
I retract my comment. It is a glorified rubberdome. THAT BEING SAID! It's still my favourite switch.

This. The fact that it's a rubberdome does not make it poor quality. There is such a thing as a good rubberdome keyboard. That being said, having owned an RF 87U 55G, I found its feel to be too similar to the rubberdomes I always hated.
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they are mechanical.... they use the same technology that touch screens use and combine them witha spring. The the rubber only servers as a buffer for the electricity

How does comparing them to a touch screen pertain to whether or not they're mechanical keyboards? The rubberdomes do a lot. Please read the Deskthority link above.
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In that case I would go ahead and consider it not a mechanical keyboard .. otherwise everything is a mechanical keyboard , they all use a certain amount of mechanical movement to actuate a circuit.. I would go ahead and sa that a mech keybard must have a physical switch like black blue red brown etc . Its just a very good rubberdome kb,
    
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Originally Posted by raisinbun View Post

What is the consensus of OCN on the question - is Topre "mechanical" or not?

Topre in the OCN Mechanical Keyboard Guide so it must be mechanical. ಠ_ಠ

The Deskthority definition is NOT very good and is a wishy washy mess.
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Mechanical keyboards
This article is a stub. You can help Deskthority by expanding it.

A mechanical keyboard is a keyboard with high quality key switches. Sometimes formalized as a switching mechanism that makes use of some sort of metal spring, this definition is somewhat meaningless given the huge variation in quality across different switch designs that have metal springs in them.

Traditionally, mechanical computer keyboards referred to the typewriter-based keyboards used quite commonly on computer consoles in the 1950s and 1960s, where the process of determining which key had been pressed was almost entirely electromechanical. In the 1970s, these were replaced with "Electronic" keyboards, which were keyboards that used digital circuitry to determine which keys had been pressed. However, as rubber dome keyboards become ubiquitous in the 1990s, companies began to market their microswitch-based keyboards as having 'mechanical' switches.

The Geekhack Wiki has turned into a a veritable mess:
http://wiki.geekhack.org/index.php?title=Mechanical_Keyboards

This one ain't bad.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/yjs4r/hey_i_found_my_old_wikis_enjoy/
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As I type this comment, I am doing so on the first mechanical keyboard of my life, the Das Professional. I''m trying to not bottom out, but it is a very difficult process, and not having labels makes it hard to type symbols like "^" The feel is definitely different, but I don't think it is worth the $130 bucks. Granted, this was never meant to be a keyboard that is the best bang for the buck, and these do last longer. (But when was the last time I've had a keyboard die on me? Never.) They one I got was the cherry blue, because it is touted as having the best typing experience. Since I got this a short while ago, I've been typing non-stop on this keyboard, trying to notice a huge benefit. Not for a huge difference, but a huge benefit. Maybe it's they way I typed, over the years I have typed with the keys bottoming out...

Anywho, what I think I will do is return this Das, get a Ducky Shining II, or a backlit rubber dome keyboard.

Thoughts and comments?
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