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IMO vulcan and P180mini is too big to be SFF, they are even bigger then some atx cases.
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IMO vulcan and P180mini is too big to be SFF, they are even bigger then some atx cases.
The Vulcan is definitely not SFF. But it is not bigger than any ATX case I ever owned. It looks like a lunch box compared to my other case:




I cant speak for the P180 as I haven't seen it in person.
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IMO vulcan and P180mini is too big to be SFF, they are even bigger then some atx cases.
What ATX cases are they bigger than?
(Lian-Li PC A05 & A06 excluded. )

Vulcan is pretty SFF if you ask me.
16.00" x 7.00" x 16.60" (1859 Cubic Inches)

The Antec, if you ask me, could be smaller cause it's an Inch(+) bigger all around than the NZXT
17.20" x 8.30" x 17.10" (2441 Cubic Inches)

Either way; the NZXT is not much bigger than a Silverstone TJ08 (which is already accepted into the club.)
14.88" x 7.68" x 15.00" (1704 Cubic Inches)


Though if you really want to make a big deal out of it, you can cut off an inch or so of height from the NZXT by taking off the handle.
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The Vulcan is fine. While it's a little wide, there's no wasted space otherwise.
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Probably the most "official" definition for SFF you'll find is on formfactors.org (see this PDF). This is the definition Intel uses.

To save you the click through, the definitions are:

SFF: 8-19 liter chassis
Ultra-SFF: 4-8 liter chassis
Tiny PC: less than 4 liters


The Vulcan, at 30 liters, is a mini-tower IMO. But you guys can do what you want

Edit: Although, this "club" is for "beastly mATX/mini-ITX rigs" and "SFF" isn't explicitly mentioned by the OP, so it's a bit of a moot point.
Edited by subtec - 2/5/11 at 9:44am
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Probably the most "official" definition for SFF you'll find is on formfactors.org (see this PDF). This is the definition Intel uses.

To save you the click through, the definitions are:

SFF: 8-19 liter chassis
Ultra-SFF: 4-8 liter chassis
Tiny PC: less than 4 liters


The Vulcan, at 30 liters, is a mini-tower IMO. But you guys can do what you want

Edit: Although, this "club" is for "beastly mATX/mini-ITX rigs" and "SFF" isn't explicitly mentioned by the OP, so it's a bit of a moot point.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say. It's a beastly mATX/mITX thread... not SFF. Yes, it's in the SFF forum because it's mATX/mITX motherboards, but... the Vulcan is probably the very definition of a beastly mATX rig.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say. It's a beastly mATX/mITX thread... not SFF. Yes, it's in the SFF forum because it's mATX/mITX motherboards, but... the Vulcan is probably the very definition of a beastly mATX rig.
This.

Name something else that I can put 2x gtx 480, 240gb revodrive and wireless card into the same amount of space, with a 360 and 120 rad internally

Lots of flat surface area to work with and plenty of space to mind wonder and explore, the only large ding on this case, as in any smaller case is wire management is a bit more difficult
    
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Originally Posted by subtec View Post
Probably the most "official" definition for SFF you'll find is on formfactors.org (see this PDF). This is the definition Intel uses.

To save you the click through, the definitions are:

SFF: 8-19 liter chassis
Ultra-SFF: 4-8 liter chassis
Tiny PC: less than 4 liters


The Vulcan, at 30 liters, is a mini-tower IMO. But you guys can do what you want

Edit: Although, this "club" is for "beastly mATX/mini-ITX rigs" and "SFF" isn't explicitly mentioned by the OP, so it's a bit of a moot point.
The problem with the industry's definition of SFF is it almost always implies low-profile expansion slots. Having real video cards, we can't get a case that's 3 inches wide. I've got to stretch the definitions to keep them beastly.


At the same time, I'm not really concerned with the absolute volume of anyone's case. It's more about having high end hardware that's in a smaller-than-average case, and aggressive space optimization and cable management.

Also, calling someone's case "too big" is against the spirit of this thread. Unless it's ATX full tower, then screw em.
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The problem with the industry's definition of SFF is it almost always implies low-profile expansion slots. Having real video cards, we can't get a case that's 3 inches wide. I've got to stretch the definitions to keep them beastly.


At the same time, I'm not really concerned with the absolute volume of anyone's case. It's more about having high end hardware that's in a smaller-than-average case, and aggressive space optimization and cable management.

Also, calling someone's case "too big" is against the spirit of this thread. Unless it's ATX full tower, then screw em.
go OP! with you on that one.
    
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The problem with the industry's definition of SFF is it almost always implies low-profile expansion slots. Having real video cards, we can't get a case that's 3 inches wide. I've got to stretch the definitions to keep them beastly.
I'm not sure I'd agree with this. Looking at the Dells and Gateways, that tends to be true, but the aftermarket is a different story. Many, if not most, of the popular mini-ITX cases (e.g., Silverstone Sugo series @ 11-15 liters) fit in the 8-19 liter range with room to spare. It's just when you move up to mATX cases that you get into the 20-30 liter range, though there are a few exceptions.

I'd tend to agree though that organizing powerful hardware into a compact volume is in the spirit of SFF, even if the end result doesn't follow some arbitrarily-defined guidelines. It's worth noting as well that "average" size has probably crept up over the last several years, chiefly due to the much greater heat dissipation requirements of modern CPUs/GPUs and the corresponding increase in heatsink size.
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