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I don't want any negative pressure in the case to suck air in through other holes (if there are any). If anything, I'd just leave it as a grill.

80.2 (12800mm^2) is not that far off of a 120 (14400mm^2).

Also, with mATX it would be A LOT larger. tongue.gif

I actually had a concept design for a mATX case if I were to make it.

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That's the size of a small midtower.

Funny enough, the mITX has more cooling rads than the mATX (I can see where I could put some more rads in the design though... maybe fit a larger monitor in it too thinking.gif)

WCing + SFF has its limitations.
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Ehhh.... the more I look at the TJ08-E outa the box the more im not really feeling it. I'm so spoiled by my Antec mini P-180 with the thick and sturdy multilayered door panels and tough outside plastic the TJ08-E feel flimsy after years of not having a regular steel case. I'm also not really sure if I wanna bother putting a window when everything is flipsided and away from me or I have to redo my entire desk layout, which im not really sure I want to.  Plus, I just but alot of hard work into modding "Night Fire" that I feel bad on giving it up already

I need to think this over the weekend.......

migrate your system into the case, it gets sturdier as you put more stuff into it.
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I'll ask here first since I know you guys more than the WC section of the board. tongue.gif
If I have a 140.3 size rad of intake and no exhaust except through an 80.2 rad on the back, can I run that passive since the air HAS to run through it to exit the case?
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i guess the relevant question here is why do you need so much cooling on an ITX? ITX boards can NOT be overclocked very far due to limitations of poor VRM's. so the amount of heat generated does not require the amount of liquid cooling you are supplying to the case. the only thing you'd have to worry about is either a 7970, or a 7990 because SLi/Xfire is impossible on an ITX. you also indicated an AX850 in the mockup which is way too much for even a 7990 implementation. with the quality of the AX, you can do it with an AX650 and still have plenty of headroom for fans/pumps/ssd/etc...

remember ITX isnt like ATX or mATX. no ITX board currently in existence can overclock very well due to lack of VRM cooling, or a robust enough VRM to begin with.

if it's a question of whether you CAN do it, absolutely, with the amount of liquid you have flowing around in there and the amount of surface area the rad's offer, you might even be able to get away with passive cooling on those rads biggrin.gif what you have in your mockup is so far beyond overkill it's "silent" biggrin.gif
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Well a couple things, I know it says AX850 but that was the closest sizewise to the psu I was thinking of using. (Seasonic X750 or X650).

A few things were behind this decision of dual rads.

1) I have a slight obsession with symmetry. So rads on both sides make me feel better.

2) That cutout on the front panel is for one of the tubes for the rads and goes with the theme I wanted on this case. Same applies to the vents on the sides.

3) A PSU is about 140mm wide so I used a 140mm base size. On top of that, I wanted to be able to fit anything I wanted inside so It had to be long enough to fit 330mm but not massively long. This lead to the 140.2.

4) I want to use really low RPM fans because I want this to be as quiet as possible. SR rads are the best at this.

I could always have a VRM block fabricated. biggrin.gif
     
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Well a couple things, I know it says AX850 but that was the closest sizewise to the psu I was thinking of using. (Seasonic X750 or X650).
A few things were behind this decision of dual rads.
1) I have a slight obsession with symmetry. So rads on both sides make me feel better.
2) That cutout on the front panel is for one of the tubes for the rads and goes with the theme I wanted on this case. Same applies to the vents on the sides.
3) A PSU is about 140mm wide so I used a 140mm base size. On top of that, I wanted to be able to fit anything I wanted inside so It had to be long enough to fit 330mm but not massively long. This lead to the 140.2.
4) I want to use really low RPM fans because I want this to be as quiet as possible. SR rads are the best at this.
I could always have a VRM block fabricated. biggrin.gif

VRM problem in an ITX extends beyond simple cooling issue. the quality and quantity of VRM built into a ITX board is simply insufficient for high powered OCing. for high power OCing they'd need to put a few more of those jap caps next to the board to supply it with enough juice, (as well as an 8pin power plug instead of a 4 pin)

i can dig that symmetry decision. we ALL pay alot for our vanity decisions smile.gif it's alot to pay for that symmetry unless you are planning on some kind of acrylic build tho biggrin.gif (so you can SEE that symmetry biggrin.gif )

as i mentioned above, if you don't go nuts on the OCing, there is enough surface area provided by the rads to maybe run that thing passive and still give decent temps. push fans would be MORE then sufficient and you really wouldn't need push/pull unless it's another aesthetic decision. I'd say you can run those suckers at 1000RPM's or below and be able to cool the system down. at that speed, your water pump will be the loudest part of the system (assuming you are using SSD's)
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On the SSD/HDD thing: In one of the 5.25" bays I will use a 5.25 to 4x2.5 drive caddy. Makes everything neat and tidy. smile.gif

While yes, NOW there is nothing that can really be overclocked. I made this design considering future possibilities. Most everything can be swapped out with different hardware.

Pumps will be in the other 5.25" using a pump/res combo. Both 5.25" bays will have sound deadening material around them.

There will be a lot more than just a computer in here too. I plan on controlling a lot of things using an Arduino board in there too.

It'll control lights, side vents, 5.25" extraction, and the front panel's... panel. Tons of little servos everywhere. tongue.gif

I was just throwing the 80.2 in there to cool down the cpu/vrm/sb (if I decide to expand that far) before the water gets to the gpu.
     
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On the SSD/HDD thing: In one of the 5.25" bays I will use a 5.25 to 4x2.5 drive caddy. Makes everything neat and tidy. smile.gif
While yes, NOW there is nothing that can really be overclocked. I made this design considering future possibilities. Most everything can be swapped out with different hardware.
Pumps will be in the other 5.25" using a pump/res combo. Both 5.25" bays will have sound deadening material around them.
There will be a lot more than just a computer in here too. I plan on controlling a lot of things using an Arduino board in there too.
It'll control lights, side vents, 5.25" extraction, and the front panel's... panel. Tons of little servos everywhere. tongue.gif
I was just throwing the 80.2 in there to cool down the cpu/vrm/sb (if I decide to expand that far) before the water gets to the gpu.

i don't think the 80x2 is going to do alot more then that pair of 140x2 aren't already doing to be honest. it's overkill above and beyond an already overkill design biggrin.gif just as a reminder for your future-proofing design. ivybridge is designed to be a 70 watt chip (down from 130w sandybridge design.) this is because there is a HUGE step in the direction of die shrink (22nm from 32nm) future chips will only get smaller and the amount of power used (hence heat) is going to drop as a result as well. current generation GPU is 28 nm. and that will also eventually drop to 22nm or below and the resulting power/heat savings would translate to less cooling required. overkill for today will already be beyond overkill for tomorrow....
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Still working on it, have a few cables to sleeve and a window to cut, but for the most part...mission accomplished!
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As she sits now...
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That's pretty sweet bud. It's amazing how customizing the cables can make a rig look so much better, especially a smaller one like this. Is this your HTPC?
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Well after a long, tiring and dissapointed first hand experience with my new Silverstone TJ08-E, im very happily back with my Antec mini P-180 rebuilt and a bit more refined since I had it all apart.  I won't bother reposting my thoughts on the TJ08-E but heres link on my personal findings.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1068487/silverstone-tj08-e-owners-club/1020_20

 

 

That being said, I did a few touch ups to "Night Fire" while it was apart. Following an earlier suggestion from someone here, I decided to take a black marker to all the wiring that was "non black" and cover it up to help go with the Red/Black/silver color theme within the interior of the case. I also added more silicon grommets to the Cavier Black to further reduce HDD vibration into the case. I also decided to remove the Antec Big boy 200mm after getting sick of dealing with the dust mess as a result of the negative pressure it was causing. I replaced it with a new Gentle Typhoon AP-13 for the rear exhaust to help pull away warm air away from the Dark Knight HSF.

 

Future plans are to possibly add more sound insulation to the panels, upgrade to a Kepler and maybe even a SSD as there's a perfect spot for one between the vid card and the intake fans.

 

 

 

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