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Could an OCTA-CORE / DDR3 2133 BE YOUR NEW EXTREME DREAM?

AMD and Intel have a Glass Ceiling of about 5 ghz. before meltdown for the future chips under their current technology curb, so if you can't go up, where DO you go? You go out.
Imagine a (8 core) octocore processor made on the 45 nm. process that was good for about 2.9 ghz. base speed and slated for introduction in late 2009 and then pulled back and shelved due to the surfacing of their newer 32 nm. Magny-Cours 12 core processor. No more need for an octocore processor based on the 45 nm. process. Or is there?
I believe that you will be seeing an octocore 45 nm. 1207 processor in mid 2010. I have absolutely no way to back up this claim except for two things. This processor was manufactured and the Orochi 32 nm Quad core is not slated until 2011 so what do you do in the meantime.

Well it is my OPINION that the 1207 octocore may come out as a workstation or maybe even an Enthusist Chip. Extreme Edition AMD? Could you imagine.. An AMD Extreme Chip. Could it Be? AweSome....!


Okay lets quit dreaming for a minute and look a little closer at this Sandtiger.



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AMD previewed its third-generation Opteron platform during the company’s Technology Analyst. The third-generation AMD Opteron platform is set for a 2009 debut with a new Sandtiger-core processor. AMD’s current Socket 1207 platform is the Opteron’s second-generation platform and designed to accommodate Opteron revision F, Barcelona and the 45nm die-shrink Shanghai processors.

Sandtiger ups the core ante with eight-cores. AMD will manufacture the octal-core Sandtiger on a 45nm fabrication process. Sandtiger introduces HyperTransport 3.0, or HT3, to AMD’s server and workstation platforms. The processor will have four HyperTransport links with a new Direct Connect 2 infrastructure.

Sandtiger will also support DDR3 memory. The third-generation AMD Opteron platform will be the first platform to support G3 Memory Extender, or G3MX, technology for larger memory capacities. The platform also supports PCI Express 2.0.



New server and workstation chipsets will accommodate the new platform. AMD makes no mention on socket compatibility of the third-generation Opteron platform, but AMD’s track record shows socket changes with a new platform.
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Sandtiger will be a quasi eight-core chip, with two quad-core processors sitting side by side, sharing a socket.

Sandtiger chip will have more HyperTransport links between processors, memory, and I/O, and they will adhere to the HT 3.0 specification that was developed by the HyperTransport Consortium, and independent standards body that AMD gave control over the HyperTransport technology in an effort to make it more widely used in systems and workstations. With HT 2.0, which is used in the current Rev F Opterons and AM2 Athlons, the links run at a top speed of 1.4 GHz; HT 3.0 has links that can run at from 1.8 GHz up to 2.6 GHz, delivering a top-end 41.6 GB/sec of bandwidth, which is nearly twice the bandwidth. The Sandtiger chip will have four HT links per core, up from two on today's Opterons. (The extra HT links mean the chip needs more than the 1207 pins of the Rev F part, and therefore the socket is larger.)

Sandtiger will also support DDR3 main memory (and therefore a new memory controller will also be plunked on the chip) and a new technology called G3 Memory Extender (G3MX). This looks suspiciously like an external memory controller, but it appears that G3MX is a new way for the on-chip memory controller to interface with memory modules, allowing for greater memory capacities. The memory extender could also be used to create glueless four-socket and eight-socket servers, which would be interesting. The Sandtiger chips will also have support for virtualized I/O through a feature called the I/O Memory Management Unit, which is akin to Intel's VT for Directed I/O feature on its Xeon processors and often called VT-d. IOMMU will extend support of virtualization in the Opteron chips from the instruction set with the AMD-V instructions out to I/O functions.

Additional Comments. Now that the 32 nm. Mangi-Cours are slated for Hitting the market the first part of 2010 with a possibility of 12 cores per unit and less power consumtion than the 45nm. Process the SandTiger has nowhere to go anymore.. Or does it? Only time will tell if AMD wants to give intel a secret slap to the chops with a 1207 board that has 8 cores and DDr3 2166 and 4 times the possible amount of Ram.

By Now your asking yourself What is this Guy Smoking? Nothing anymore, but I love AMD and I think they have a strategy. I think that laying on their xxx for a whole year is not on the MENU. Here is why.

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The modular M-SPACE technology also finds its way into AMD Fusion. AMD plans to mix and match M-SPACE components for Falcon, a Fusion processor optimized for mobile and mainstream desktops. Falcon forms the basis of AMD’s planned Copperhead mainstream desktop platform. Falcon features four Bulldozer CPU cores with an integrated graphics processor. The integrated graphics processor features DirectX 10, possibly 11, support with AMD’s Universal Video Decoder, or UVD, technology. Falcon also features integrated PCIe.
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=5673
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http://forums.vr-zone.com/news-aroun...-platform.html
http://www.itjungle.com/bns/bns082707-story01.html
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=5673
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Sandtiger?

That's a.... unique name.
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Sandtiger?

That's a.... unique name.
Read "Paper Tiger".
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Hate AMD all you like but we need AMD to survive... just as we would need Intel to survive if AMD was king right now...

comptetition is good (good for US that is )

best wishes AMD
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the roadmap things are a bit dated. Still not doubting it though.
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Hate AMD all you like but we need AMD to survive... just as we would need Intel to survive if AMD was king right now...

comptetition is good (good for US that is )

best wishes AMD
I agree entirely. If there was no AMD, we would still be using P4 s with 3.2 ghz and ddr2 1066 ram.
    
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I agree entirely. If there was no AMD, we would still be using P4 s with 3.2 ghz and ddr2 1066 ram.
We don't still use DDR2 1066 RAM?

Also, JAWSOME!
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Not so much of a secret now...
This looks pretty nice though. Good competition for intel's core i9.
     
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Dual quad core... Q6600 all over again.
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