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post #21 of 38
Yep, saw it there for cheap. Also, Xoxide has them for a bit cheaper than 75. It's out of stock though, but I've had an excellent experience with them in the past, highly reccomended.
http://www.xoxide.com/swiftech-storm-water-block.html
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post #22 of 38
the price of the storm has dropped to around $60-65 at every large swiftech distributor now that the apogee is out
    
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post #23 of 38
I would get the apogee just because I'd be afraid of clogging those tiny jets. One day I might pour in the wrong chemicals and BAM! The block clogs and I get a leak.
post #24 of 38
Maybe, it's not that hard to clean out though. Assuming you tightened your hose clamps and cinched down your zip-ties, you should be protected from a leak should a blockage occur.
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post #25 of 38
your pump would not ever create enough pressure to cause the block to leak if the jets got clogged


as long as you have a clean closed-loop setup, and don't use anything other than the normal additives, you'll be clog-free
    
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post #26 of 38
Someone hurry up and get the Apogee and test it with a peltier! I want to know!!
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post #27 of 38
the 600X series of blocks is still your best bet if you plan on using a pelt - the apogee has a smaller surface area
    
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post #28 of 38
People are saying stay away from the Apogees. Take a look at the pics of it disassembled. Look how thin that metal is. There have also been issues of blocks being sent out that had metal shavings in them from the machine process. It's a pretty cheap ass block, IMO.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lando95
People are saying stay away from the Apogees. Take a look at the pics of it disassembled. Look how thin that metal is. There have also been issues of blocks being sent out that had metal shavings in them from the machine process. It's a pretty cheap ass block, IMO.
well here is another side of the story, a good review but long and i'll copy and paste a qoute from the chairman and cta of swiftech for you lazy non readers. lol.
http://www.systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-13.html

quote from Gabriel Rouchon, Chairman and CTA of Swiftech. Lee is the reviewer from system cooling.com

*Update* December 08, 2005 - Tom "Tommy" Rybak

Lee raised several concerns regarding potential quality control issues. Immidiately after the review was published, Lee's concerns were addressed by Gabriel Rouchon, Chairman and CTA of Swiftech.

Lee: I contacted Swiftech and expressed my concerns about the shavings and thickness of the top housing. I was not surprised to receive an immediate reply and hear they were already aware of the concerns, had investigated them in-house, and have implemented corrective action where necessary. Here is a direct quote from Gabe:

Gabe: Copper shavings: Nothing is loose shavings when delivered. Each base plate is inspected in production, and cleaned up. Some might have escaped scrutiny. After all, these pins are really tiny. The lady doing this is now using a big magnifying glass to see well. In any case, you really have to scrape them with a sharp tool to remove them, which is what she is doing. Also note that the bigger pieces (on the outside perimeter) that you showed on your site are actually left over pins from the machining not “shavings” or burrs. These are normally solidly attached to the base. Finally, we have also taken steps in production to completely eliminate any shavings using a new process.

Lee: Gabe is correct about the few tiny shavings I found. Too small to see until I hunted them down with a magnifying glass, and they did have to be pried out with a fine dental tool.

Gabe: I inspected the “thin” areas as you mentioned, and they completely meet our specs. Pressure tests at 40 PSI resulted in no problems on 100’s of blocks (the pressure we test at). We also did some destructive testing this morning on 20 of these housings, using a heavy hammer and hitting the top of the housing (inlet & outlet), which places a direct stress on the alleged “weak” spots, and NONE failed. The entire housing will eventually disintegrate when hit hard enough, but we found absolutely no signs of stress related failures.

I read in Pro Cooling that some people are concerned about pushing the tube in and breaking the housing. Well, we “pushed the tube” on 20 blocks with repeated blows of a hammer… When you “push” hard enough, the housing will explode in pieces. I will therefore advise users who push the tubing that hard to wear protective glasses… Joke aside; I think your concerns with respect to the thickness of the wall are unfounded. The fact that ONE user reported a problem, problem that we cannot even verify since he epoxied the water-block does not mean that there is a problem with the housing. It means that either we did a poor job at QC, or that something else happened with this water-block that the user is not reporting.

Lee: I also decided to abuse the Apogee top cover I had sectioned, and found it to be very tough. Pushing, pulling, prying, etc. – in general applying a lot more force to the hose barb than I ever would under normal circumstances, without any signs of cracking or failure. I even gave it a few good whacks with a hammer and nothing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazino
well here is another side of the story, a good review but long and i'll copy and paste a qoute from the chairman and cta of swiftech for you lazy non readers. lol.
http://www.systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-13.html

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Lee raised several concerns regarding potential quality control issues. Immidiately after the review was published, Lee's concerns were addressed by Gabriel Rouchon, Chairman and CTA of Swiftech.

Lee: I contacted Swiftech and expressed my concerns about the shavings and thickness of the top housing. I was not surprised to receive an immediate reply and hear they were already aware of the concerns, had investigated them in-house, and have implemented corrective action where necessary. Here is a direct quote from Gabe:

Gabe: Copper shavings: Nothing is loose shavings when delivered. Each base plate is inspected in production, and cleaned up. Some might have escaped scrutiny. After all, these pins are really tiny. The lady doing this is now using a big magnifying glass to see well. In any case, you really have to scrape them with a sharp tool to remove them, which is what she is doing. Also note that the bigger pieces (on the outside perimeter) that you showed on your site are actually left over pins from the machining not “shavings†or burrs. These are normally solidly attached to the base. Finally, we have also taken steps in production to completely eliminate any shavings using a new process.

Lee: Gabe is correct about the few tiny shavings I found. Too small to see until I hunted them down with a magnifying glass, and they did have to be pried out with a fine dental tool.

Gabe: I inspected the “thin†areas as you mentioned, and they completely meet our specs. Pressure tests at 40 PSI resulted in no problems on 100’s of blocks (the pressure we test at). We also did some destructive testing this morning on 20 of these housings, using a heavy hammer and hitting the top of the housing (inlet & outlet), which places a direct stress on the alleged “weak†spots, and NONE failed. The entire housing will eventually disintegrate when hit hard enough, but we found absolutely no signs of stress related failures.

I read in Pro Cooling that some people are concerned about pushing the tube in and breaking the housing. Well, we “pushed the tube†on 20 blocks with repeated blows of a hammer… When you “push†hard enough, the housing will explode in pieces. I will therefore advise users who push the tubing that hard to wear protective glasses… Joke aside; I think your concerns with respect to the thickness of the wall are unfounded. The fact that ONE user reported a problem, problem that we cannot even verify since he epoxied the water-block does not mean that there is a problem with the housing. It means that either we did a poor job at QC, or that something else happened with this water-block that the user is not reporting.

Lee: I also decided to abuse the Apogee top cover I had sectioned, and found it to be very tough. Pushing, pulling, prying, etc. – in general applying a lot more force to the hose barb than I ever would under normal circumstances, without any signs of cracking or failure. I even gave it a few good whacks with a hammer and nothing.
Excellent find jazino...there's always apt to be 1 or 2 bad units in a mass production facility. I don't think this 1 block failure wil mean anything. Swiftech has always been a good company with regards to quality IMO.
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