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Well I'm upgrading my comptuer to an AMD set-up becasue I'm not all too thrilled with the P4 I got, plus it's good for Christmas. I'm into gaming and getting a good Mobo and vid card but I was wondering on the CPU

So far I've looked at these

Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Athlon 64 4000+ (San Diego)

Now how much better is the X2 with the Dual Core than the Single Core. I do a lot of multi-tasking with higer end programs (i.e Photoshop CS, Dreamweaver, FireFox, AIM, and 2 monitors usually running at the same time). But I have around $350 to spend on a processor, I';ve also heard some stuff about hte Opterons but not much about it. The main thing I want it to shine on is gaming because any of the processors can run multiple programs anyway cause my P4 3.0GHz does that fine now.

So enlighten me on the AMD side of computing since I'm new to it

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I say get the 3800 + x2 since you do a lot of multitasking. Trust me, this thing is fast!!!
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Well I know pretty much anything can multi-task and if anything there wont be a hitch but I know the Dual Cores are good with nVidia vid cards and app running and nVidia drivers, from what I hear, utiize the dual core set-ups rather than ATIs and I'm most likely getting a eVGA 7800GTX KO.

Also, have you tried OC'ing it yet, cause I figure i could OC to get it up to at least a 2.2GHz maybe higher since the AMD's can be OC'd easily
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ive had a 4400 in my rig and also my 3000+venice and there wasnt any real noticeable difference in frames when gaming, my 3000+ is oced but im not sure it makes a real big difference what cpu u are running for frames per second. with amd anyway, thats just my experience, hence im running the cheapest cpu i can get and it still does the job with no worries at all- and its a killer everclocker
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Well I know pretty much anything can multi-task and if anything there wont be a hitch but I know the Dual Cores are good with nVidia vid cards and app running and nVidia drivers, from what I hear, utiize the dual core set-ups rather than ATIs and I'm most likely getting a eVGA 7800GTX KO.

Also, have you tried OC'ing it yet, cause I figure i could OC to get it up to at least a 2.2GHz maybe higher since the AMD's can be OC'd easily
Yeah,OC'ed mine @ 3.1 plus even single threaded application beats a single core cpu
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You really have to do an unbiased assessment of how much you actually multi-task. I read through many forum posts and everyone seemed to be saying "go with the 3800 x2, its the way of the future". I went ahead and bought the 3800 x2 (from a 3200+) and found that I did not multi task anywhere near as much as I had assumed I did, and in my personal opinion, the 3800 x2 is just not fast enough to justify the cost (I could only overclock to 2.4 - check the forums for others results). Needless to say I sold the 3800 x2 and I went with the 4000+ san diego. After just a few minutes of playing around, I am now running at 2.8ghz and totally stable. Again just my opinion, but wait for faster and better dual core processors to come out, and get the 4000+ in the meantime.
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I would go with the X2. I did a hell of a lot of research before deciding and I would sugest you spend at least a few hours surfing the net looking at reviews. The X2s are a totaly different tech from the AMD single cores and you get a lot more performance per clock with the X2s also. Its basicaly like the difference between the AMD and pentiems. An X2 running at 2.4ghz will outperform a single core AMD CPU at 2.4ghz even running a totaly single threaded app or game. My 4400+X2 is only clocked at 2552mhz but I score 11988 on 3DMark05 and thats only a small OC. I get 70,000+ on aquamark3 and 29879 on 3DMark03 and those scores are all on standard single thread settings because I only have the free versions and cant change any settings even if I wanted to.
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the 4000+ san diego has been descibed as a poor value a few times. it is really only 200mhz better than the 3700+ and like $70 more. you can more than make up the difference in oc. in 6 months or a year you can get a better developed better performing lower priced dual core. so i say go single core for now.
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the 4000+ san diego has been descibed as a poor value a few times. it is really only 200mhz better than the 3700+ and like $70 more. you can more than make up the difference in oc. in 6 months or a year you can get a better developed better performing lower priced dual core. so i say go single core for now.
What he said RE: single core aspect costs/performance.
Also, if it's a good OCer and you want to up to an X2 later it should resell well
On the Opterons aspect...
They are getting few and far between and the availability is said to be choked off till after the first of the year.
The Model 165, a 9x CPU is out there, the 175, a 10x is said to OC very well, of course that would be dependant on the cores stepping, some hit 3G.
CCBWE 0534SPMW seems to be the best stepping from what I'v been able to find out so far.
The problem is it's beyond your budget by about $110 ... the below is the lowest price I"ve found as of now!
BTW, I have no idea whatsoever what "STEP" the below CPU is!!!
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ricewatch&NR=1
    
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Thanks guys, I was looking at some benches for X2's and regular 64's and the 4000+ beat the 4200+ X2 in a few categories during gameplay and when it did it wasn't by substantial amount of FPS.

If I were to OC the 3800+ which is 2.0GHz to 2.2GHz it would essentially be comparible to the 4200+ Manchester which is much better in multi-tasking than the single cores but only a slight disadvantage in FPS during gameplay.

I know in the article it only shows it at 1024x768 and my res is 1280x1024 but I dont think that it's going to strain it much more

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2410&p=7

I guess if you can, look over that page, and determine if I should really just go for the 4000+ Sandi (or Clawhammer) or the 3800+ X2 and then OC it to 2.2GHz or maybe 2.4GHz.

Also, this was the multitasking while gaming, which on my desktop I usually have a lot of programs running, though I try to close all of them since BF2 is a hog with memory, the FPS looks really well when running some programs, including Anti-Virus/Firewall software and it seems that it doesn't hinder performance all that much compared to even the FX-55.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=2410&p=13

Still in a bind, I've seen some people on BF2 forums with the 3800 X2 and they love it, and if it can OC to 2.4GHz, hell even 2.2GHz I think it might be worth it for the time being since I do a lot of editing, internet, video along with gaming.

I know in a few months or a year they'll be cheaper but I'm looking for something that can do everything well overall rather than one-sided, and Im pretty sure either teh 4000+ Sandi/Clawhammer or 3800+ X2 will be faster than my 3.0GHz Prescott
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