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Thanks guys, I was looking at some benches for X2's and regular 64's and the 4000+ beat the 4200+ X2 in a few categories during gameplay and when it did it wasn't by substantial amount of FPS.

If I were to OC the 3800+ which is 2.0GHz to 2.2GHz it would essentially be comparible to the 4200+ Manchester which is much better in multi-tasking than the single cores but only a slight disadvantage in FPS during gameplay.

I know in the article it only shows it at 1024x768 and my res is 1280x1024 but I dont think that it's going to strain it much more

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2410&p=7

I guess if you can, look over that page, and determine if I should really just go for the 4000+ Sandi (or Clawhammer) or the 3800+ X2 and then OC it to 2.2GHz or maybe 2.4GHz.

Also, this was the multitasking while gaming, which on my desktop I usually have a lot of programs running, though I try to close all of them since BF2 is a hog with memory, the FPS looks really well when running some programs, including Anti-Virus/Firewall software and it seems that it doesn't hinder performance all that much compared to even the FX-55.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=2410&p=13

Still in a bind, I've seen some people on BF2 forums with the 3800 X2 and they love it, and if it can OC to 2.4GHz, hell even 2.2GHz I think it might be worth it for the time being since I do a lot of editing, internet, video along with gaming.

I know in a few months or a year they'll be cheaper but I'm looking for something that can do everything well overall rather than one-sided, and Im pretty sure either teh 4000+ Sandi/Clawhammer or 3800+ X2 will be faster than my 3.0GHz Prescott
I think you're kidding yourself by calling surfing the web,AIM,etc as "multi-tasking." True multi-tasking is using multiple hardcore programs simultaneously. Unless you're encoding dvds while gaming, get a single core. The dual cores that you're considering have 1/2 the L2 cache of the single core. Btw, get the 3700 instead of the 4000 because you'll end up with the same OC on both of them if you have decent ram. You'll never use a 11X multiplier,much less a 12X that the 4000 has. I run my 3700 at 2.86 ghz and have done so on stock air/paste for months. You can find one well within your budget,too. Whatever you decide, gl to ya
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Newegg still has 148 and 150 opterons in stock. My 148 is en route as we speak. Or type.
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The dual cores that you're considering have 1/2 the L2 cache of the single core.
Granted I am but how much of a notible difference is that going to make over a 1MB L2 cache of a Single core than a 512kb L2 cache of a Dual Core. Yeah a 1MB L2 cache of a Dual Core would be better but I can make the slower one faster and yeah with half of the L2 cache but I'll have 2GB of RAM to use so memory isn't an issue

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I run my 3700 at 2.86 ghz and have done so on stock air/paste for months. You can find one well within your budget,too. Whatever you decide, gl to ya
Well apparently the 3800 X2 can be OC'd to 2.7 on stock air.

even if I wanted to knock it down to 2.4GHz to be safe wouldn't you think it would run faster than the 3700+ @ 2.4GHz with a 1MB L2 cache with the extra core. I do run multiple high end programs that used to lag on me when I had my OC 2.0GHz Northwood but it didn't as much when I got the 3.0 Prescott and the 1GB of RAM and I think I can run a myriad of stuff with the Dual Core. I do have muliple programs running in the background that I dont HAVE to turn off but I do when I'm gaming, but Im looking for something that can do everything well, not just what's cheap that I can OC that will not be obsolete in a year, because I can OC the 3800+ and the Dual Core is as cliche as it sounds "the way of the future".

Also keep in mind that within a year I will still have this CPU, unless it can't perform but I'm pretty sure a Dual Core will outlast the 3700+ within a year, just my thought since it's new tech.
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Granted I am but how much of a notible difference is that going to make over a 1MB L2 cache of a Single core than a 512kb L2 cache of a Dual Core. Yeah a 1MB L2 cache of a Dual Core would be better but I can make the slower one faster and yeah with half of the L2 cache but I'll have 2GB of RAM to use so memory isn't an issue



Well apparently the 3800 X2 can be OC'd to 2.7 on stock air.

even if I wanted to knock it down to 2.4GHz to be safe wouldn't you think it would run faster than the 3700+ @ 2.4GHz with a 1MB L2 cache with the extra core. I do run multiple high end programs that used to lag on me when I had my OC 2.0GHz Northwood but it didn't as much when I got the 3.0 Prescott and the 1GB of RAM and I think I can run a myriad of stuff with the Dual Core. I do have muliple programs running in the background that I dont HAVE to turn off but I do when I'm gaming, but Im looking for something that can do everything well, not just what's cheap that I can OC that will not be obsolete in a year, because I can OC the 3800+ and the Dual Core is as cliche as it sounds "the way of the future".

Also keep in mind that within a year I will still have this CPU, unless it can't perform but I'm pretty sure a Dual Core will outlast the 3700+ within a year, just my thought since it's new tech.
Dual core won't help you at all in single threaded applications. It can, however, take a little load off if you keep stuff running while you game. Ask yourself this though, don't you want the most speed possible while gaming? If so, get the single core and close your other apps The extra cache will help out and will be faster in gaming until apps are written for dual core. By the time it's common household standard, you'll be on to a new chip with DDR2,etc. You can't go wrong either way,but I just think the 3700 will turn out to be a better gaming chip until it's death.
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True, and if you have your 3700 up to 2.8 under fan/paste then I guess it should be ok since it'll most likely it'll be faster than my 3.0E Prescott.

Also, if I decide to water cool my CPU if I want to get even mroe out of the CPU how good is this kit
http://xoxide.com/coolermaster-aquagate-mini-r120.html
I'll go read some reviews but I'm just leary with anything water and electronic related

I'll prob end up getting the 3700+ so I can get an extra 1GB of RAM to throw in my board or get a WC kit
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I would like to see any computer with a 3700+ in it that can beat my X2 on ANY benchmark. As soon as I figure out how to take pictures of my results and post them I will show you. I made a thread in the benchmarking section of the boards asking so if you want to help me out go there and tekll me how. With my X2 I got 97000+ on aquamark3, 29500+ on 3Dmark03, and 11988 on 3Dmark05. When you can get even close to that then tell us how a 3700+ is better. All my benches are made on the standard free downloads that are not adjustable.
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Ok here is my aquamark3 lets see if this works

post #18 of 21
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I would go with the X2. I did a hell of a lot of research before deciding and I would sugest you spend at least a few hours surfing the net looking at reviews. The X2s are a totaly different tech from the AMD single cores and you get a lot more performance per clock with the X2s also. Its basicaly like the difference between the AMD and pentiems. An X2 running at 2.4ghz will outperform a single core AMD CPU at 2.4ghz even running a totaly single threaded app or game. My 4400+X2 is only clocked at 2552mhz but I score 11988 on 3DMark05 and thats only a small OC. I get 70,000+ on aquamark3 and 29879 on 3DMark03 and those scores are all on standard single thread settings because I only have the free versions and cant change any settings even if I wanted to.
Your 3DMark05 score has very little to do with your OC. All that matters is your Video card(s)
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I would go with the x2 if you dont want to end other programs while gaming/encoding/benching/etc. but otherwise go for the 3700 and crank it up, the 1mb l2 cache is the best performer on high end sigle threaded apps.

Off topic: @ Psyleck:
aren't your scores a little low for a 7800 gtx sli config? I got higher scores than that with my 2 7800gt stock clocked, and my 4400 @stock, Im at over 116k on am3 (261 x 10, 500/575) right now and Im nowhere near done optimizing/ocing this rig yet
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Well after looking at the Mother of All CPU Charts the, 3700+ San Diego was a better preformer than the X2 in gaming and I know I'll be cranking it up to 2.7-2.8 which will obviously do better in single app scores, I don't do THAT much multi-tasking to justify getting the X2 and eventually when they get better and faster in a year or so I might get one, but for now I do a lot of gaming and I can OC this puppy pretty far from what I see, and I might WC it to get it up to 3.0GHz and I think I'll be straight for the time being.

And it's not so much for 3D Mark score Im looking for but rather FPS within games that are being used close to my spec of computer and in the Mother of All CPU charts the 3700+ at stock speedsd was beating the 3800 X2 in FPS. Granted both can be OC'd but for what i need it for I'd rather WC the 3700 or throw in an extra GB of DDR400 as of now
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