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Originally Posted by xira View Post
It enables you to overclock your card past the artificial limit set by CCC in Afterburner.

You can run afterburner without OCing to manually control or auto define automatic fan speeds or just use it to monitor temps/etc.

Just remove CCC from running at startup (win+r msconfig > startup > uncheck) and have Afterburner run at startup.. You can still access CCC when you need to change options but it doesn't run when it doesn't need to.

There are a platitude of reasons why vsync doesn't work in some games and works in others, it's mostly just programming. Most people have this problem in DX11, but for whatever reason you're having it in Crysis (Which doesn't surprise me, it's up there with buggy games that got left behind by their developers.)

I personally do not mind screen tearing, but I also acknowledge that I am weird.
Ok, forgive my ignorance but what will oc'ing my card actually do for me? With my type card is it even necessary at this point?

As far as setting the value to 1 in the .cfg file, what will that do? The tearing bothers me a lttle but to know I have the option to remedy it I I choose is a bit advantge. This happened in Crysis Warhead as well. The CCC doesn't seem to really apply any of the settings I manually set it to so I think I'll use Afterburner. As far as the other settings in CCC I'm not really sure what they all do. Adaptive AA, AI advanced etc..

Thanks
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Ok, forgive my ignorance but what will oc'ing my card actually do for me? With my type card is it even necessary at this point?

As far as setting the value to 1 in the .cfg file, what will that do? The tearing bothers me a lttle but to know I have the option to remedy it I I choose is a bit advantge. This happened in Crysis Warhead as well. The CCC doesn't seem to really apply any of the settings I manually set it to so I think I'll use Afterburner. As far as the other settings in CCC I'm not really sure what they all do. Adaptive AA, AI advanced etc..

Thanks
This setting enables you to overclock past the artifical limit set by ATI, as I said in my last post.

Increasing the frequency to the core/ram will increase speeds. (Frequencies to Processors are asynchronous to speed) These cards have lots of OC headroom for several reasons (low power consumption, and the fact that ATi undervolted/underclocked them to better facilitate consumers with weaker PSUs.)

I have seen benchmarks on these forums showing a 5850 OC'd to 1000Mhz and have a netgain of about 10fps in the Crysis benchmark. This is substantial performance increase.

Ultimately it is your call if you'd like to or not, but as I said even with stock cooling (which are very good on this series of cards) you have quite a bit of OC headroom. As you can see in my sig I have my card OC'd to 900/1250 - I could push it to 1Ghz but I'm not satasfied with the amount of voltages I have to push into my card to achieve it, and again this will differ from card to card (even if they're the same model). There's several howto threads and previously posted threads regarding this matter so I suggest you do a bit of reading Again we're here to help but it's a commonly well spoken question and there are plenty of great threads on this forums to educate yourself with..

with that said, welcome to OCN and I'm glad to have helped.

P.S.: I leave CCC installed but not running just in case I need to modify any sort of display setting, there's no real reason to get rid of it.
Edited by xira - 3/26/10 at 9:04am
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This setting enables you to overclock past the artifical limit set by ATI, as I said in my last post.

Increasing the frequency to the core/ram will increase speeds. (Frequencies to Processors are asynchronous to speed) These cards have lots of OC headroom for several reasons (low power consumption, and the fact that ATi undervolted/underclocked them to better facilitate consumers with weaker PSUs.)

I have seen benchmarks on these forums showing a 5850 OC'd to 1000Mhz and have a netgain of about 10fps in the Crysis benchmark. This is substantial performance increase.

Ultimately it is your call if you'd like to or not, but as I said even with stock cooling (which are very good on this series of cards) you have quite a bit of OC headroom. As you can see in my sig I have my card OC'd to 900/1250 - I could push it to 1Ghz but I'm not satasfied with the amount of voltages I have to push into my card to achieve it, and again this will differ from card to card (even if they're the same model). There's several howto threads and previously posted threads regarding this matter so I suggest you do a bit of reading Again we're here to help but it's a commonly well spoken question and there are plenty of great threads on this forums to educate yourself with..

with that said, welcome to OCN and I'm glad to have helped.

P.S.: I leave CCC installed but not running just in case I need to modify any sort of display setting, there's no real reason to get rid of it.
Great, thanks a lot for the help and some education. I will prolly leave at stck speeds for now cause it's performing fine so far. However, I would imaging that if overclocking may increase your fps this would also increase tearing artifacts if it gets too high, no? This of course may be dependant on which game your playing as well because some games tend to tear more than others, right? Playing Bioshock for example I did not have vsync enabled and didn't notice any tearing.

Cheers
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Great, thanks a lot for the help and some education. I will prolly leave at stck speeds for now cause it's performing fine so far. However, I would imaging that if overclocking may increase your fps this would also increase tearing artifacts if it gets too high, no? This of course may be dependant on which game your playing as well because some games tend to tear more than others, right? Playing Bioshock for example I did not have vsync enabled and didn't notice any tearing.

Cheers
I will attempt to explain both screen tearing and artifacting for you:

Vsync:

This option caps your framerate to your monitors refresh rate (most are 60 hertz, and thus 60fps)

When your framerate exceeds this number your monitor cannot display every single frame onto the display, and this is why you see vertical "tearing" or a skip of displaying frames on to the display. This has nothing to do with any sort of overclocking or artifacting:

Artifacting:

Artifacting is when something in the videocard is malfunctioning and altering the rendered image (most frequently things like lines, or white/red dots)

Most artifacting from overclocking in games almost always comes from corruption in memory due to too much heat.

The ATi 5 Series cards uses ECC (Error Correcting) memory and thus will not artifact due to this reason, and thus while benching it is important to monitor and record your FPS to make sure you're actually seeing a yield.

If you are happy with the FPS you're getting now sure, but remember these cards have a very high OC potential, and safely for that matter (because of reasons stated above)

I know these are probably not the best descriptions but I am trying to break them down to be as easily understood as possible.
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Thanks again. I appreciate your Informative answers and Im sorry if your repeating yourself. I still do have a couple questions but I'll search around to see if I can find answers to them. you have been very helpful. Take care.
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Good news dudes! After reading virtually all reviews on the gtx480 and the gtx470 out there now, it seems that fermi blows, and the 58** series rock on. Especially in the power consumption, sound levels and temperatures part.
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Good news dudes! After reading virtually all reviews on the gtx480 and the gtx470 out there now, it seems that fermi blows, and the 58** series rock on. Especially in the power consumption, sound levels and temperatures part.
Yea i read those also and people are trying to put 2 gtx480's vs 1 5970 instead of 2x 5870's and call it a fair fight o well...
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Good news dudes! After reading virtually all reviews on the gtx480 and the gtx470 out there now, it seems that fermi blows, and the 58** series rock on. Especially in the power consumption, sound levels and temperatures part.
I wouldn't say its good news all around, I was hoping they'd be stronger, thus invoking more of a power and/or price battle. As of now it seems with the GTX 4xx cards you get tiny bit more performance for a lot more wattage/heat and a little more cashola. I will hold final judgment until I actually get a 470 in my hands but as of now it looks like crossfired 5850s is the way to go for the price/power/performance ratio...
 
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I wouldn't say its good news all around, I was hoping they'd be stronger, thus invoking more of a power and/or price battle. As of now it seems with the GTX 4xx cards you get tiny bit more performance for a lot more wattage/heat and a little more cashola. I will hold final judgment until I actually get a 470 in my hands but as of now it looks like crossfired 5850s is the way to go for the price/power/performance ratio...
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Ya I am not impressed with fermi either.It really suck's that these were not better card's after all this time.
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