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...The best way to OC my 2400 XP K7 on MS-6712 (KT4V-L) w/ 1 G Ram/Gefarce FX5200...



I guess I say Hi. so Hi. Er. Er? Ahem (I'm nervous ahaha)



This heap I am using has been "Fast Enough" for about 3 years now, but rather than go out and waste $$ on an Athlon 64 (since there are no real versions of XP yet that are built for 64 bit CPUs, and DO I really want to live in DRM-world with Microsoft and, ahem, Sony... I am considering Linspire) - What can I do to this heap to maybe get a little more speed?

I'll post the compleat system in the approriate, etc. - I also have...

I also have a 1 GHz Thunderbird w/ 512 Ram, in a little Inwin V-Case (ahaha, it is half the speed and Ram of my main machine, so I put it in the little V Case which is identical to the huge server tower). I don't know if I ought to mess with that, I am runnin a video capture system there, using the Gefarce 2 GTS as a cap card (Asus 7700, Gefarce 2 and only 32 MB, but it is great), it's on a KM3M-V MB and it took my original SD ram- from an Abit K7N? A really poopy MB that burnt out in less than a year, I took the CPU and the Ram, and built it onto an MSI KM3M? Or was it a KM2M? Good Gawd it IS a KM2M HAha! It has SD ram and DDR ram slots, No SATA, but it is a good solid motherboard.

I keep these heaps on 24/7/365... I do a lot of video and audio, as well as using them to run virus and Service-Pack 2 removal from infected and infested XP machines. And I also have another Athlon 1200 MHz CPU on an I-Will MB for a work computer, and it is actually pretty d*** fast for what it is... and another Sempron 1700+ on a real POS FoxConn MB (Foxxconn is better now, this is one of the first K7 MoBos they made, a "KM400" so when I set the FSB up to 199, which you can do through the Bios, it runs the machine at 1700 MHz, but then, Mozilla will not start, Bahaha).

So, I am "AMD Man", I used to have a 1-Gig P-III on an MS-6309 but it was poopy and I gave it to a client. "AMD and MSI Man" make that, I have gotten the best results with K7's and MSI (And WD HDs)

I used to be Celeron/Abit-Man but then I realised that Celeron's are poo too, and although A-Bit makes some real nifty MB's- They are very prone to crashing. But they are still better than ECS (Which went oudda business thank Ghod? )

So, Maybe I wanna OC my KT4V-L and my KM2M, or what can I get that is better: I do not like Semprons all so much, but they are better than Durons.

I really Like AMDs but Athlon 64's are not the same good deal that K7's were, when you could buy a 3 GHz K7 chip for 125 and a good MB for it for 70 bucks. But ANYTHING is better than P-IV's Even a Duron HAHAHA.

So, Hi, that's me, I'm in Spring Valley, CA... And I don't really spend all of my time in front of these things aahahaha

(Maybe I will get a pair of KM4M's from NewEgg while they still have them... And than I can get SATAs for em ehe.
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Welcome to the forums. Were a very friend community =)
When you get some time check out the FAQs section. Pentium 4's are nothing to laugh at
A64 cpus are faster then regular athlon cpus. They have a better memory controller. It's not about the 64-bit coding yet. Overclocking will breathe a little more life into your cpu. You could prolly pump a few hundred more MHz out of that 2400 =)
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What type of budget would you be looking at for a new rig/upgrade?
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FSR? Hm forgot the letters haha. With a 3 Gig P-IV, and I did that dual-channel thing. You have to have identical chips, he had 2 1-Gig Kingston chips. Once I got trhe dual channel set up, it flew. But then the guy got it homne and he took it apart again and thus ruined it, but not before he paid me haha.

(Budget- I had 400 to play with when I made the KT4V-L... I will have to wait until after the year to see what I can save up for a 64 bit system)

So, that particular P-IV, I did not laugh at, except for the usual, when you put a load on an Intel chip, it normally slows down the cpeed of the chip. Mostly in P-IV's

Which is why you click "Install" for Acrobat Reader, and it "unzips" to it's temp folder, and then takes about 5 minutes to install versus about a minute to install in a K7. This is just normal P-IV behaviour, and if they have the HT going and dual channel happening, it is not so bad.

But, And I swear this is the truth: A 1.8 GHz Dell P-IV, that did not have SP-1 installed, and first off, I had to get a real product key cos they did not have a real product key, so once I put in the real one, SP-1 went in... and took exactly one hour to install. And nothing I could do about it.

Once SP-1 was in though, it was much better and I could use the USB 2.0 card.

I had the pleasure of working on a Compaq AMD 64... Much like the ones that George used to do some of the special effects for SW Episode III, and I think it was even an Opteron... And I had some pretty harsh problems installing some software, there is a security issue, something that turnsd on in XP Pro on a 32 but machine does not turn on for a 64 bit machine... And the program was fauiling install, and deleting itself.

That is, it was installing all the way, and the security check would cause it to "roll back"

So, what I did, was just copy the whole program folder to another place on the hard drive, and then simply unplugged the computer. Sounds bad, but it stopped the roll back.

After I rebooted and scandisked the HD, I copied the folder I moved back, and I got the program to run. Under better circumstances, I would have spent a day finding out which service had failed. But this was one of those, money had been paid, and time was running out scenarios. Once I got the program installed, it ran great.

Later, I found a way to do it without forcing a cold boot.

Ok sorry for yammering, thanx alot, talk to you later, maybe someone can tell me how to set up the BIOS on an older P-IV so when the load is applied to the CPU, it don't slow down as much.

I noticed that certain Dell Dimensions, have the advanced functions closed out of the BIOS, so you can't turn on HT. Dell 4500's and such... Good designs, but lousy Bios options. Anything that can be done about that?
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Dell makes special BIOS's for all of there boards, so it could be solved by a new board. I'm not familiar with dell or Intel really, it's possible what ever cpu is int the 4500 doesn't support HT
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Hi and WELCOME to "The Greatest OCing Forum on the Planet."
Is that 2400+ a TBred or Thorton?
Either way, you will need a few things available in the BIOS and a GOOD FHS to cool it because they runh a bit hot.
1. Keep the "full load" temp below 55c
2. Does your BIOS have ...
a. vcore (CPU voltage) adjustments.
b. vdimm (RAM voltage) adjustments.
c FSB adjustments
To OC it you need to up the vcore to about 1.8-1.85v (with addiquate cooling)
With the above you can increase the FSB but you have to watch the PCI bus speed... it can not excede 37MHz... it increase with the FSB increases and exceding the 37 will cause instability and could damage PCI components.
    
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Hey man, thats great that you are an AMD man but I am an Intel man. I know, I don't think there are many of us on this forum but not only do I have an Intel now, I am getting another Intel with my next upgrade, even though a new MOBO, CPU and RAM means I could have just as easily gotten an AMD. lol.

So anyways, welcome to the forums, read, understand, and abide by all of the rules and enjoy your stay
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This is what I got:

FieldValue
CPU Properties
CPU TypeAMD Athlon XP, 2000 MHz (15 x 133) 2400+
CPU AliasThoroughbred-B
CPU SteppingB0
Instruction Setx86, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE
L1 Code Cache64 KB
L1 Data Cache64 KB
L2 Cache256 KB (On-Die, Full-Speed)


And I think I can set individual voltages on the MB, not sure about that though. I just updated my BIOS to 1C, the previous was 1.9.


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Hey man, thats great that you are an AMD man but I am an Intel man. I know, I don't think there are many of us on this forum but not only do I have an Intel now, I am getting another Intel with my next upgrade, even though a new MOBO, CPU and RAM means I could have just as easily gotten an AMD. lol.

So anyways, welcome to the forums, read, understand, and abide by all of the rules and enjoy your stay

Haha, thanx. Most people just go to the Dell store and buy Celeron's not even considering how crappy the machine really is. That is where I come it, I educate the people I make PC's for. A celeron used to be a good inexpinsive solutiuon for a PC, but now it is not. I had a 300-A Oc'd to almost 500 MHz, but then later I got a 500 MHz Celeron (slot) and that took care of me for a while- I could nto OC it, it wqas not like the 300A, which OC's nicely with little effort. See, I hated the first slot Athlons and I thought they were pieces of crap, and I was compleatly dissapointed with them especially after making several systems using K6 2's and 3's - Hell a K6-2 went up to 500 MHz way before Pentium's did, Pentium II-s only went up to 450, and I tried, but P-II's were pretty much NON-Overclockable. I don't know, maybe someone managed to OC a P-II, but Celerons, Celeron's on Abit were the hot OC item. I ran Celery's on Abit for about 2 years before I got the Athlon, cos once Athlon went to back to SOCKET, I noticed that these AMDs had way fewer crashes than Celerons. And P-III's are worthless unless they are above 800 MHz, I had an 800MHZ EB, it was faster than my 1 GHz Pentium III-B. But Intel did not develop ot after that, they instantly went to P-IV, so, I think that Intell is just in too much of a dam* hurry to make new processors, instead of improving the ones they already have.

Now, Abit, Although innovative, does not hold up to a whole lot of Abuse. I had bought the 1-Gig Athlon T-Bird chip on that Abit K7N board with 512 Ram on it for about 150 bucks, and it was all brand new so I shoved it into one of my Inwin Cases and it kicked arse. However, within a year, the board just pooped out. So, I put a Duron on it, and gave the system to someone's kid. A friend of mine had just gone to PC Club and they bought the KM2M board for about 50 bucks, and so I got one, and I still have it, and I moved everything from the K7N to the KM2M. That system still works great, I use it to burn DVDs. And I LOVE the Km2M, cos MSI and AMD instead of shoving new improved chips at us, they will actually develope a product, so the KM2M is actually very compatible with the changes that AMD made to the K7 chip- I had tried to stick a Duron on the Foxxconn KM400 I have, and it did not work, but the duron DID work on a KM2M, KM3M, and KM4M. So, this is why I like MSI a LOT. I have used Gigabyte MBs, and Asus MB's and Tyan MB's and always something goes wrong and stops working, the LAN, the floppy controller. But on all of my MSI boards, they all work great. I had a Tyan Tiger with dual P-III 600 EB? (512 Cache)- And the fooging FLoppy controller went out, and it was something major, cos even after sticking a separate Floppy controler card in the machine, it still did not work. And this was a PC in a recording studio I had set up. Fortunately, I was able to later stick a USB floppy drive in there- And the good ole USB Floppy disk drive has saved my butt a bunch in the last year, cos when it coems down to it, you GOITTA have a floppy disk drive, some program installers require a key diskette (like a MAC Auth disk)

So, my 2400 is a thouroughbred, so what does that mean compared to, what did you say? A Thorton? Which one is better?

I have 1 512 Kingston chip and one 256 Kingston chip, and the other 256 MB is on a Samsung MALABS chip. which is pretty much the same except for the 15.6 us Refresh rate (The kingston is "reduced" 7.8 us)- So I would have to remove the Samsung ship before I do anything.
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