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Your Hiper-R PSU will run the DFI very well so no need to change out that item.

For 2x1Gb modules the best are currently the Crucial Ballistix Z503 as these use Micron chips which OC very well (of course with some luck too ) ... anywhere up around 270-290 mark with some going to 300... of course MB and CPU IMC allowing too.
thanks for all the info,,, after looking around at some reviews I can see why the ballistix comes so highly regarded its 500 speed ram that can be run up to like 584 or what not,,, seems to be a winner, now i just have to figure out how to actively cool them without adding something to the water circuit,,,

Now if I go with the DFI and the operton 165 from looking around is there any reason to even look at a x2 chip like the 3800,,,

from all I read its tougher to overclock the 165 cause its s X9 multipler (locked I guess) but the 170 is like $120 more atleast,,,

how is the 3800 X2 will the 165 operton beat it in over clocking,,,
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Active cooling of the ram will help and a simple 80-120mm fan mounted near them will do the job.. there are many ways to mount a fan around that area.. from wire ties to bought solutions.... look at the Zalman bracket and fans as one option.

With any of the Dual Cores, they are more of a challenge to OC and of the two 3800+ or they 165.. I would choose the 165 as it has a 1Mb L2 cache for starters.

the x9 multi will be your challenge so having good memory will help out a great deal there as well, along with a MB that can also do > 300 otherwise you end up with not really maxing out the CPU or Mem... so your choice of DFI is a better one as this should allow for those options to be available.
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Take NSCA's advise he obviously knows what's up. From reading hundreds of threads on this and other forums, I'm almost certain that Opteron 165 is a little easier to overclock then 3800 X2. When I recieved my opty from Monarch I ran a few tests to record the scores with stock speeds (Memtest, superPI, 3Dmark etc..) I then decided to jump from 200 HTT straight to 280x9x3 on stock volts and to my surprise it booted up and actually passed SuperPI 32M and Prime95!!! It is highly unlikely that you'd be able to get the same OC on stock volts with an X2.
Talking about Ballistix RAM.. Even know it is rated at 2.8V, it does not like high voltages, I'd say 2.9V Max or else it gets unstable. I'm running mine at 2.7V 260MHz with pretty tight timings (scoring 9358/8436 in Sandra05 Mem Bandwith). It also runs hotter then most RAM modules out there therefore needs an active cooling. Good luck on your build.
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If you play games and that is your interest for overclocking there is no reason to get a dual core processor. WHen you are playing only one processor works for the game. If you are willing to spend 300$ on a Dual Core, why not check out ebay for a 146 CABNE or CABYE opteron, this way you can reach 3ghz overclocking on air. This will play your games better then 2 core at 2.5ghz.

Get a DFI mobo if you can, if you already have a mobo well then so be it.

For ram, 1gb modules wont hit the high fsb's . But who cares with 2gbs it will make up for them not running at 300fsb. Id stick with some solid cas2 sticks, like the OCZ cas2 2x1gb sticks. Dividers are your friends.
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Active cooling of the ram will help and a simple 80-120mm fan mounted near them will do the job.. there are many ways to mount a fan around that area.. from wire ties to bought solutions.... look at the Zalman bracket and fans as one option.

With any of the Dual Cores, they are more of a challenge to OC and of the two 3800+ or they 165.. I would choose the 165 as it has a 1Mb L2 cache for starters.

the x9 multi will be your challenge so having good memory will help out a great deal there as well, along with a MB that can also do > 300 otherwise you end up with not really maxing out the CPU or Mem... so your choice of DFI is a better one as this should allow for those options to be available.

I found a place with the operon 170 for $385 which is like 30-40 bucks more then the average I ahve been finding the 165 for,,, is the overclocking ease of using a 10X multipler worth going for in end user performance?
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With any OC, having the extra CPU multi will allow for memory that cannot run high MHz but still have the CPU speed up (cooling etc allowing).

The x9 is fun and a real challenge but does mean you have to have very good memory and modules.

IMO the extra $s will be well worth the investment.
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K did you not read my rant?

If you are a gamer, then dont get a dual core processor. You will enjoy more FPS with a single core opteron CABNE or CABYE running at 3ghz + . So go on ebay or call tankguys and make them an offer. Stay single core and go as high in the mhz as you can. <3

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K did you not read my rant?

If you are a gamer, then dont get a dual core processor. You will enjoy more FPS with a single core opteron CABNE or CABYE running at 3ghz + . So go on ebay or call tankguys and make them an offer. Stay single core and go as high in the mhz as you can. <3

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I read your rant and I know what you are saying but I do other things besides gaming and I always just wanted to go dual core for the little but longer life the processer will last me. I know over time apps and games will slowly make the switch to dual core just like they make the switch to 64 bit over time.... At first I was looking for a good 146 or 148 but I think I might just go with the dual and see how high I can clock it,,, thanks for the advice anyhow,,,
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by the time games make this switch you people talk about you will have like 2 new computers built.

No games are making any switch anytime soon, especially when the cheapest dual core is 300+ . I was just letting you know which processor would yield a higher OC. Have fun with the opteron overclock adventure.
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by the time games make this switch you people talk about you will have like 2 new computers built.

No games are making any switch anytime soon, especially when the cheapest dual core is 300+ . I was just letting you know which processor would yield a higher OC. Have fun with the opteron overclock adventure.
thanks for all the help anyhow, Im sure ill be back posting once I get my gear and see what stepping I ended up with,,, thats when the real adventure begins
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