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Anyone know if there are any pre-cut tubes that will fit the spacing of the RIVF SLI x16 slots? Would love to replace this very slightly imperfect tube link.

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PPC's should have some from Bitspower/EKWB/Alphcool and more

 

 

http://www.performance-pcs.com/rigid-hard-tubing

 


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yea, i disagree with the fittings theme.... just had this convo in the monsoon thread, for the most part, completely able to be done and look different

That's why I brought it up - saying it's definitely pushing things to use the function-dictates-form argument with them. However, that too is subjective because although I would agree on monsoon fittings looking totally different - I personally find them to be the ugliest thing ever put in a build - at least as far as fittings are concerned.

If you look at nearly every other brand of fittings they are identical in most ways (apart from branding itself) - but then again, it could be argued that they all are simply adjusted versions of plumbing supplies that existed long before it occurred to anyone to watercool a PC.

To me personally, I see Monsoon as one of those companies that strives to be different (which is good) but winds up making products which remind me of a Honda with a wing, ground effects, neon and a ton of vinyl graphics... Different? Yes, definitely. Better? Well, apparently many people think so - I'm just not one of those people.
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I was having a difficult time finding them in the quantity I wanted, in a reasonable timeframe, and without piecemealing through five different vendors. Also, all the other parts I needed such as the 90 degree elbows, bulkheads, caps... When I can get a simple Barrow f/f 90 degree elbow for under $5,..the cost savings on one part alone is enough to cover the paint, never mind the savings on over a dozen of them This way, I was able to get the specific high gloss white that I wanted without having to worry about color consistency across fittings, or being limited to one specific manufacturer.

Or you could have just waited until Barrow knocks off EV2 and gotten those a bit cheaper too. thumb.gif
and this is why i buy monsoon.

please dont change and dont stop telling us how you feel

on the flip side i have to admit, from what little i have seen they are starting to make their own stuff, aside of that, for me it is too little too late
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Or you could have just waited until Barrow knocks off EV2 and gotten those a bit cheaper too. thumb.gif

The 90 degree f/f simple fitting in particular, it seems as if most of the brands have basically the same design, and really, there is not much that can be done to vary it besides putting a logo on it, and I am not a brand loyalist to the point where I will pay a premium for a logo.
i am sick of this argument. it is a false argument, was a false argument and will be a false argument.

there are tons of differences. our fittings are not standardized parts like copper fittings, like pvc.......




look at that, 4 COMPLETELY different 90s all from the same manufacture and none are exactly the same


look at that. 3 ADDITIONAL 90deg fittings that look COMPLETELY different from 3 ADDITIONAL manufactures and all perform the same function yet are very different.

false arguments always fail, fyi
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The Monsoon EV2 1/2 inch rigid compression fittings though had the look I was after at a really great price point. These more complicated types of fittings where there are multiple moving part, multiple o rings, more potential failure points, there is some truth that you get what you pay for up to a point, and the Monsoon fittings that I bought were the absolute perfect balance between quality and price point.

The only issue I ran into was finding the stock of the color I wanted. One thing I will say though is that given how pleased I am with how the painting turned out, when it comes to the Monsoon compression fittings, lack of availability of a particular color is no longer a purchase consideration for me, making it more likely that I will purchase Monsoon in the future.

Now, you want to give me one of these...

bitspower-adapter-90-degrees-2x-g1--4-inches-royal-blue-wasc-279-55775-2.jpg

For under $5, then I'll buy them and paint them all day long smile.gif

or . you could accept that the R and D on these things is excessively costly and someone has to actually pay for it. while others have bypassed this product phase and just stolen it. you can continue to use said product, but it shows where your heart lies. and it is not in innovation.

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"lets be honest"


NONE of these are anything but simple.

ALL of the above bitzpower can be found in simple M/M or m/f 90s


if by simple you and i have a language barrier which i assume not due to the linguistics you use and by "simple" you mean non rotary my first response is " why"

by more complicated i assumed you ment these





although due to use it is harder to make stand out differently, they still do.

and lastly on topic. if you are seriously not using rotary fittings i would highly recommend trying them- the quality ones are amazing and far better to work with

completely OT i just saw these and wow. i really like the visual



as i said completely different. there are a few things that are more dictated by function and that limits the form. ( mainly multiple rotaries ) that said, you can be completely different in all others, as this one shows ---from above




now onto monsoon. while chaingun are not your style, i feel your statement is frankly rather harsh but you are entitled to your opinion.... but to prove your wrong., i will only use one manufacture chaingun
original economy v2 economy v1 ( and primochill )

and now other companies
-and i have not listed all--- swiftech, bitspower xspc, not to be over looked, but i feel i have proved my point


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Some rotary 90º fittings, I remember people talking about this earlier:

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From left to right, it is EK-XSPC-Alphacool-Barrow-Bitspower. The EK fitting was not in a silver/nickel finish to begin with, so excuse the color. The Bitspower one has seen use also, hence the light tarnish.

even these are uniquely different.... well all but one.. sure there are similarities but different
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LOL, well we're obviously never going to agree on that Mega... as all of the pics you included (especially that gawd-awful thing at the top) only prove my point as far as I'm concerned - while clearly proving your point as far as you're concerned. I do appreciate you posting it however, as I've never seen it before - wouldn't ever use it, but still it is a good example of 'different'.

Sure you can paste on all kinds of angles or add-on bits, change colors or logos... but the bottom line is there is a single optimal internal channel from two cylinders 90 degrees opposed to each other. Which is why no matter what you put in the pipe - gas, water, wires, air, etc... all 90 degree elbows in any other world look almost identical to the image provided by geggeg at the bottom of your post.

As far as the chaingun, revolver, etc... while the non-functional part is unique (though not to my liking any more than that ugly angular one) - the functional part is identical as determined by the tubing, etc and/or the G1/4 standard threading. I certainly won't argue that there isn't a great deal of copying going on - in this and every other industry - but to some extent it's like the Apple vs. Samsung wars... you could make something that looked or worked totally different... but it wouldn't be comfortable to hold or simple to use and most designs would compromise both for the sake of appearance only.

Look at everything else around the computer - mice, keyboards, monitors, headphones, speakers, your desk, etc... other than colors and unnecessary decorations - they're all copies of a hundred similar products (all driven by function and/or comfort primarily). Look under your sinks or in your attic/basement... I couldn't possibly guess at the brands represented, but I guarantee I could tell you the shape of any pipes, traps, conduit and fittings you see there. tongue.gif
Edited by DiGiCiDAL - 4/23/17 at 2:17am
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i am sorry, you were trying to say that " a 90 is a 90 and cant be made different " due to the function ? seriously ? by your logic a house is a house and a car is a car, clothes are clothes..... ect, now as much as you can deny it - there is something in your life you value the differences in looks vs function - and frankly is a poor argument that reflects poorly on your reputation

( or from your avatar - a gun is a gun )

things may look similar, but not be the same which is my point in the quote by geggeg - they do look similar, but if you look they are different
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Beautiful! Always enjoy the look of a well done build. smile.gif

On a related note, I saw you used DIYMOD's 16awg FEP for your cables (nice work there as well), and I've got a couple of hundred feet of the stuff on hand as well now. I'm assuming you also used 16 gauge terminals with the wire and connector housings, but please correct me if I'm mistaken. Additionally, anything you might add as something I should watch out for with respect to crimping those terminals would be a great help (e.g., use Molex branded 16awg terminals, housings, etc.). I do have a Molex branded crimper on hand to do the work. TIA!

Thanks!, i had the cables made for me, i just specified what length i wanted each cable and what connectors i wanted on each one.. i really wouldn't have the patience to make my own.
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i am sorry, you were trying to say that " a 90 is a 90 and cant be made different " due to the function ? seriously ? by your logic a house is a house and a car is a car, clothes are clothes..... ect, now as much as you can deny it - there is something in your life you value the differences in looks vs function - and frankly is a poor argument that reflects poorly on your reputation

( or from your avatar - a gun is a gun )

things may look similar, but not be the same which is my point in the quote by geggeg - they do look similar, but if you look they are different

OK you win all the internets! Happy? wheee.gif

All of your ad hominem attacks won't change the fact of a functionally optimum design in almost anything - the possibility of aesthetic (but non-functional) differences separating any product was never my argument. Nor did I ever indicate that I don't purchase things for aesthetic reasons - otherwise I wouldn't think any fittings were 'attractive' nor others 'ugly'. Good night and I hope tomorrow is filled with only people that agree on all points with you. thumb.gif

And yes, I would argue that (at least by type: rifle, pistol, etc.) there are virtually no differences between firearms from different manufacturers - in fact many components are interchangeable for exactly that reason. Because there are only one or two objectively BEST ways of making one, even if there are many subjectively COOLER/PRETTIER ways to do it. Not saying that improvements aren't made in all areas... however, if a truly better way of engineering anything is discovered - within a short period of time, everyone will just make it that way. And the cycle of progress repeats. wink.gif
post #104298 of 104993
Feel free to use my trigger from my super nova in a 870 express ... cause most are interchangeable. They are both 12ga right?

supernova-pump-shotgun-12-gauge.png?itok=p1AVmcqH

25571_Model870_Express_Combo.png?itok=97sSakX8
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post #104299 of 104993
Of course the internals won't change. The internals are standardized and accepted around the world. G1/4 will remain the accepted form of connection and compression fittings by their very nature will remain as the accepted form of connection. For those who don't like compression fittings, well there are push fit and barb options that have been round since water cooling infancy. rolleyes.gif

Going back to the car analogy, an internal combustion engine is the norm. It's been around for 100 years or more. But we don't zero in on that when comparing cars. Looks are generally what tells us whether some was copied or not. mellowsmiley.gif

Monsoon looks like a dressup item for a Honda?!? wth.gif

Sorry you feel this way. BP has that distinction if it is considered a bad one. How many colors do they churn out over their manufacturing cycle? Rather unfair to suggest that Monsoon is, considering the innovative design of Monsoon's MMRS system. Nobody did a pushfit/clamp style reservoir before Monsoon did and it looks awesome. cool.gif

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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Feel free to use my trigger from my super nova in a 870 express ... cause most are interchangeable. They are both 12ga right?

supernova-pump-shotgun-12-gauge.png?itok=p1AVmcqH

25571_Model870_Express_Combo.png?itok=97sSakX8
Miss my Browning 12ga, hope to buy a new one when I get back to GA and plan to go through the licensing up here in MA as well.
     
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