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post #107061 of 107355
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Originally Posted by Rainmaker91 View Post

That could very well be the case with Jay's blocks, but he did mention that Primochill had experienced the same thing with presumably already clean blocks. Which would give some credit to the hypothesis that this is ever so slightly polishing off the top layer of nickel/copper. Heck, even regular water will wear on the blocks over time (the same way rivers polish rocks), so it's not like it's not a thing.
This would be my exact concern, especially if the nickel plating in use is really thin (like on some cheaper fittings). Hopefully there won't be any noticeable effect within a reasonable amount of time, because something like this could prove really problematic for Primochill if it became an issue.

You know what would help in ths case? An MSDS for the chemical being sold. Come on, Primochill, this is getting unprofessional with the lack of one when customers have already received it.
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You know what would help in ths case? An MSDS for the chemical being sold. Come on, Primochill, this is getting unprofessional with the lack of one when customers have already received it.

I won't buy anything that doesn't have an MSDS. It's important to know what something is so that proper disposal procedures can be followed, and so that I know I won't grow a third arm.

Do they go into detail about whether this stuff is toxic or not? Without an MSDS it doesn't tell me very much.
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As a parent of children under 10, I refuse to purchase anything that does not come with a MSDS page. To my recollection it's illegal to sell a material(toxic or otherwise) without one. When we got new products at the parts supply I worked for we got one with ALL our materials and logged a page for each in a binder. We would then supply upon request a photocopy of the page to anyone that wanted/needed it.

Not that I do any dye liquids anyway. It's just a matter of safety that has me concerned. I mean hades, What if my kid got hold of a freshly opened container when my back is turned. He's two. Trust me, he goes into the fridge on a whim and presents me with juice, milk or whatever catches his eye. It's only a matter of time before he opens up a container and chugs from it. mellowsmiley.gif

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post #107064 of 107355
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snip...To my recollection it's illegal to sell a material(toxic or otherwise) without one. ...snip

osha only requires an msds for hazardous materials. they don't even suggest one for non-hazardous and any msds that comes on non-hazardous can be freely discarded

I think they want to keep from clogging the system with logging non-toxic items
    
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post #107065 of 107355
Quick question.
This happened to my X299 monoblock:


I've got a spare Evo Supremacy lying around, would you swap the monoblock out or leave it in.
The X299 VRMs can get really hot and my 7900x is delidded.
It's been running like this for a few weeks with no leaks and the cracks aren't getting bigger.
post #107066 of 107355
JayzTwoCents had this when he took apart one of his systems to check the effects of PrimoChill VUE coolant.

For his, the cracks seemed to be entirely in the middle of the acrylic and didn't go through to the top or to the bottom of the acrylic. As long as that's the case, it won't leak.

If it were me, I'd buy another monoblock as those VRMs really do need the cooling. Just don't do whatever caused the cracks again.
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post #107067 of 107355
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Quick question.
This happened to my X299 monoblock:


I've got a spare Evo Supremacy lying around, would you swap the monoblock out or leave it in.
The X299 VRMs can get really hot and my 7900x is delidded.
It's been running like this for a few weeks with no leaks and the cracks aren't getting bigger.

See if you can get a replacement acrylic piece and don't over tighten your fittings. Remember it's the o-ring that makes the seal, you don't need more than hand tight.
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post #107068 of 107355
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Originally Posted by MNMadman View Post

JayzTwoCents had this when he took apart one of his systems to check the effects of PrimoChill VUE coolant.

For his, the cracks seemed to be entirely in the middle of the acrylic and didn't go through to the top or to the bottom of the acrylic. As long as that's the case, it won't leak.

If it were me, I'd buy another monoblock as those VRMs really do need the cooling. Just don't do whatever caused the cracks again.

I pulled the top off the monoblock to clean some UV coolant I didn't like. UV clear stains stuff really bad (pinkish) btw. When I put the top back on I left the fittings in place and that fitting must have pressed against the diffuser underneath it. Which in my opinion is a bit of a design flaw, the diffuser should have enough clearance so that a fitting doesn't push on it...
Anyway, lesson learnt.

I'm running the reboot loop cleaner now, so later tomorrow I'll pull it apart and have a better look.
Hopefully it'll be ok because there aren't any of those monoblocks in New Zealand so I'd have to order one and not put my Vue in until it turns up in about 3 weeks.(frown).
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yup plexi/acrylic cracks really easy.
     
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Water in movement will erode at a surface over time, though it's not something we should be concerned about in our lifetime with these blocks unless we have insane amounts of pressure.

This.

Some of this perceived cleaning effect could be from running a loop without dyes that stain and leave deposits. Running water 24x7 in a previously stained loop could be slowly removing these old surface level contaminants.

There are three possibilities here:
1. The coolant uses a biocide that acts as a mild detergent, or is mildly acidic
2. The coolant contains a mild abrasive
3. The coolant uses a different kind of dye that does not stain and does not leave deposits, so over time it acts like pure water would and removes impurities from old dyes


It could be any one of these things.
1. Propylene Glycol (for corrosion inhibition) can break down into organic acids, or benzalkonium chloride (common biocide) is also a surfactant
2. We don't know what the dye is - if it's a particulate in suspension, it might be mildly abrasive
3. We don't know what the dye is

My bet is that the coolant is propylene glycol and benzalkonium chloride based as these are two common and mostly non toxic additives for water cooling. The dye is probably the secret sauce here and is probably the driving factor behind what is different about it. No way to know for sure though.
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