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Yeah, I was gonna say that if you filled the loop completely and burped it appropriately, there shouldn't be any air left in the system. Some people do leave a little air in their Res though so that's probably where the displacement comes from. wink.gif

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2nded on the Yate Loons. Average price around the net is $4 a fan before shipping. biggrin.gif
Now that my little flirtation with the NBs' has run its course I'm sticking with Yates. tongue.gif lol
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Well, there is a reason, why those fans are so cheap ! biggrin.gif After 1 year, you can throw them out of the window, because they´re getting noisy

Go for Noiseblocker PL1 or PL2, very good for radiator usage, or the mentioned Gentle Typhoons, if you like the color thumb.gif
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hey random question its normal for you res level to drop when you turn on your pumps..... first wc system biggrin.gif
I'll post some pics when i'v finished!!
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Yep. It's because when you shut it off, all the water that's moving dumps into the res. Then when it starts again, it has to refill the empty part of the loop.
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What empty part of the loop? there shouldnt be any empty parts,if its not got water in it then its air...which means its not bled properly.
How much is the drop?
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The parts of the loop that the water was running through... Once the pump shuts off, no more water is going through it so all the water already in motion continues as far as it can typically to the res. Every single system I've seen and built has a drop in res water level, slight, but still there.
The only way I could see this be eliminated is if you filled the res completely to the brim while the system was on so that no extra water could empty into it.
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Yes,but displacement of the water just draws more water behind it,there are no empty spaces.
Basic Physics there mate,the level drop is just down to the pressurizing of the loop.
The reason i ask about the amount of drop is that it can indicate trapped air pockets.

Ya. There should be NO level drops. The water should be constant through the complete loop, even when the pump is off. That would mean you had air pockets in your loop. If you do then you want to fill it and keep rocking the case until you don't see the level drop anymore. I know when I set mine up I had to refill at least 8 - 10 times before it was completely full.

That's the whole point of bleeding the system on the install with turning the pump on and off. You fill the res up, turn the pump on until it draws the water out then you turn it off, fill it up again, rock the case around to move the air around if possible, then repeat the over again until when you turn it on and off and you see no difference in the water level. Then you just want to make sure you leave the port open on the res for a little while you let any air escape.
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Well, there is a reason, why those fans are so cheap ! biggrin.gifAfter 1 year, you can throw them out of the window, because they´re getting noisy
Go for Noiseblocker PL1 or PL2, very good for radiator usage, or the mentioned Gentle Typhoons, if you like the color thumb.gif

Which is a pain when you have them banked hardwired harnesses....Noiseblocker had thought about that with the 3 pin actually on the fan.
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2nded on the Yate Loons. Average price around the net is $4 a fan before shipping. biggrin.gif
Now that my little flirtation with the NBs' has run its course I'm sticking with Yates. tongue.gif lol
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Well, there is a reason, why those fans are so cheap ! biggrin.gif After 1 year, you can throw them out of the window, because they´re getting noisy

Go for Noiseblocker PL1 or PL2, very good for radiator usage, or the mentioned Gentle Typhoons, if you like the color thumb.gif

I've had mine(LED models) going on 2 years now with no issues. I'm gonna be dismantling the blades from the new ones to paint them anyway, so I'll hit the bearings with a light dab of 3n1. Shouldn't be an issue. thumb.gif
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Which is a pain when you have them banked hardwired harnesses....Noiseblocker had thought about that with the 3 pin actually on the fan.

So the Pins are on the Fan too? Pics or it didn't happen. tongue.gif lol

I did notice that those Noise Blockers have a very good Static Pressure rating though. Too bad they're $22 here in the States. I don't expect them to be $4 each. Just should be a more reasonable price considering that they're 120s'. mellowsmiley.gif

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It's a big loop the drop is like 1 inch in a 50mm Dia phobya res......

Ya thats why I ask it didn't make logical sence to me unless there was a air large air pocket....

Just trying to load windows i'll give the case a shake and do a quick leak test thanks biggrin.gif

BTW apart from shaking any tips on getting water out of the top 2 480 rads smile.gif
    
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It's a big loop the drop is like 1 inch in a 50mm Dia phobya res......
Ya thats why I ask it didn't make logical sence to me unless there was a air large air pocket....
Just trying to load windows i'll give the case a shake and do a quick leak test thanks biggrin.gif
BTW apart from shaking any tips on getting water out of the top 2 480 rads smile.gif

I experienced the same issues (not really an issue) and made a lot of researches about this physic phenomenon. Like the other said, it's because of air pocket.

Tilt the case around or turn the pump on and off and leave the Reservoir open when the loop is running. If you have to much water in the reservoir and you then turn off the pumps while the Res is open, the water will spill out.

Sometime there is also another reason for this level drop especially if you have a big loop with many blocks in it: Restriction. I experienced this phenomenom when I had my loop for a while and didnt realize that my CPU block acted as a filter (because of EK nickel plating rolleyes.gif ) and it was all gunked up. I had to find out the source of the restriction and dissassamble the CPU block and clean it thoroughly. Since then, the loop was fine.

If you have a Drain T-Line, don't forget that the water will take time to go there especially if you don't open the line to let the air out.

Time will also help to bleed the air out. I don't even tilt the case, I let the pumps do their job, but I open the Reservoir from time to time to let the air out. My case is over 100 lbs and with a Reservoir mounted at the back, I prefer not to tilt it.

Anyway, that was my 2 cents post-flame-small.gif
Edited by KaRLiToS - 3/30/12 at 5:06am
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So far I am happy with my medium yate loons. I forgot who I ordered them from but they were sleeved too. Can't beat that for 4$ a pop. I would like to eventually upgrade but it's hard to grasp spending 100+ dollars for 10 fans which will probably only make -few degrees difference. I guess it's important for people running higher ambient though?

Is it true though that these type of fans don't last long when you lay the horizontal opposed to vertical?
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I experienced the same issues (not really an issue) and made a lot of researches about this physic phenomenon. Like the other said, it's because of air pocket.
Tilt the case around or turn the pump on and off and leave the Reservoir open when the loop is running. If you have to much water in the reservoir and you then turn off the pumps while the Res is open, the water will spill out.
Sometime there is also another reason for this level drop especially if you have a big loop with many blocks in it: Restriction. I experienced this phenomenom when I had my loop for a while and didnt realize that my CPU block acted as a filter (because of EK nickel plating rolleyes.gif ) and it was all gunked up. I had to find out the source of the restriction and dissassamble the CPU block and clean it thoroughly. Since then, the loop was fine.
If you have a Drain T-Line, don't forget that the water will take time to go there especially if you don't open the line to let the air out.
Time will also help to bleed the air out. I don't even tilt the case, I let the pumps do their job, but I open the Reservoir from time to time to let the air out. My case is over 100 lbs and with a Reservoir mounted at the back, I prefer not to tilt it.
Anyway, that was my 2 cents post-flame-small.gif

Ty ya my loop is quite large it just didn't make sence that the res should drop that much... General specs
4 x 480
2 x AC AQ5 WB - parallel
Raystorm
EK RE4 MB block
2 x EK 7970 blocks - parallel
2 x ddc-1 w/ DIYINHK PCB w/ xspc duel top

So a fair bit of stuff but 1 inch (if not 1 1/2 inchers now that i look at it again seems like a large drop that's what's making me think that i have a large air bubble in my top to rads adding a whole lot of resriction which would explain the massive drop!
    
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3930k w/ XSPC raystorm @ 4.8Ghz Rampage Extreme 4 w/ EK WB HD 7970 w/ EK WB Parallel HD 7970 w/ EK WB Parallel 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
32GB of Mushkin PC3-14900 1866mhz 9-10-9-27 Red... Seagate 1tb x2 raid 0 M4 256gb SSD 2tb WD Green 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung External SE-208 Phobya v.2 480 x 3 Phobya v1.2 480  Dual XSPC top w/ 2 x DDC -1 pump w/ DIYINHK Pum... 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
2 x AC AQ5 lt w/ WB's 64bit windows 7 pro Samsung 2443BW+ Sidewinder X6 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Enermax Platimax 1200w PSU Case Labs TH10 DeathAdder 3500dpi AKG Q701 
AudioAudioAudio
ASUS Xonar One Dac Audioengine A5 Beyerdynamic MMX 300 
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