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My temps are at Full Load for 24/7 with 2 fans operating in Pull on my 360. No Air Cooler would give me the same temps. My system dropped 10c with an ambient of 65F/18.33c despite running at 2/3 peak efficiency in Pull. mellowsmiley.gif

Not even the best Air Cooler would do that. thumb.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

That's not the point. You don't need your system temp dropped by 10C with an ambient of 65F/18.33c despite running at 2/3 peak efficiency in Pull, do you?

The point is that watercooling, generally is known to be something you don't do on a budget, because if you did, you'd simply buy an air cooler for much less than the cost of your loop.

Why spend a load on a watercooling loop but cheap out on one of the most important components? You've spent on components that aren't even going aid in performance but you won't even get decent fans?



Edit: For those fittings to leave marks on your tubing is really poor, I'd send them back if it was me.
Edited by Willhemmens - 4/15/12 at 3:01pm
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My temps are at Full Load for 24/7 with 2 fans operating in Pull on my 360. No Air Cooler would give me the same temps. My system dropped 10c with an ambient of 65F/18.33c despite running at 2/3 peak efficiency in Pull. mellowsmiley.gif

Not even the best Air Cooler would do that. thumb.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

That's not the point. You don't need your system temp dropped by 10C with an ambient of 65F/18.33c despite running at 2/3 peak efficiency in Pull, do you?

The point is that watercooling, generally is known to be something you don't do on a budget, because if you did, you'd simply buy an air cooler for much less than the cost of your loop.

Why spend a load on a watercooling loop but cheap out on one of the most important components?

True, water is not generally something undertaken on a budget. But I'm a horse of a different color. Also my NB temps required something more drastic. Previously when I played say Far Cry 2 my NB would creep up to 55c. Now it's sitting squarely on 42c at 2/3 peak efficiency. smile.gif

I didn't undertake this just for that either. I did it cause I could. The length of time not withstanding, a lot of the time I spend working on this was research. I don't water cool cause I have to I do so cause I can and when it's time to upgrade I won't have to worry about buying another cooler. My loop will transfer quite well. It pays for itself in the long run. thumb.gif

Also I don't consider Yate Loons "cheaping out". I do acknowledge there are better fans. But the manufacturers are barking greedy with their prices. I can't support that no matter how good the equipment and Yate Loons are comparable to them so why not run them instead of sinking a fortune into a greedy manufacturers pockets? biggrin.gif

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I love how people constantly argue about fans... sure my GELIDs are a little more expensive and might not blow as much air but they are UV reactive (requirement #1), are quiet (requirement #2) and I like them (not a requirement but whatever haha).

Now if you want to see a motherload of fans go head to head, read up on Martin's testing here:

Martin's Liquid Lab Fan Testing Round 2

Flow vs Noise, Voltage tests, air flow tests and YouTube videos of each fan running for your own ears to enjoy.

Then go drop the cash on whatever fan you need depending on the radiator you are using and how insane a noise level you are willing to live just to bring your temperatures down a couple degrees more.

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True, water is not generally something undertaken on a budget. But I'm a horse of a different color. Also my NB temps required something more drastic. Previously when I played say Far Cry 2 my NB would creep up to 55c. Now it's sitting squarely on 42c at 2/3 peak efficiency. smile.gif

I didn't undertake this just for that either. I did it cause I could. The length of time not withstanding, a lot of the time I spend working on this was research. I don't water cool cause I have to I do so cause I can and when it's time to upgrade I won't have to worry about buying another cooler. My loop will transfer quite well. It pays for itself in the long run. thumb.gif

Also I don't consider Yate Loons "cheaping out". I do acknowledge there are better fans. But the manufacturers are barking greedy with their prices. I can't support that no matter how good the equipment and Yate Loons are comparable to them so why not run them instead of sinking a fortune into a greedy manufacturers pockets? biggrin.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Weren't your NB temps fine before hand though? 55C sounds fine to me, it's far from being damaged anyway.

Sure I understand you're not watercooling just for the temps but there are better ways you could have spent the money if performance is what you wanted to gain from watercooling.

I've agreed with you on many things but your loop being more compatible than a heatsink? I got a Prolimatech cooler for a rig and they sent me 2011 mounts free without me even asking, that's compatibility.
Also pays for it's self in the long run, how exactly? Even if a heatsink is no longer compatible with a socket, for the price of your loop, you could buy multiple heatsinks.

I like Yates, they're good if you're on a budget, sure but if you're building an expensive loop, surely you could get something a little high quality.
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Originally Posted by HAFenvy View Post

Looks good but I might be a little concerned about the bottom tube that goes from your pump to your bottom radiator. That bend looks a bit tight and your tubing already appears to have collapsed a little.

Yeah the picture is a bit misleading as the tubing is actually coming out toward the camera and makes it
look a little bit like it's collapsing..but i know this is def. a trouble area in the future.
going to thread the inside of the head of the pump so i can attach a 90* compression fitting
then have one on my first rad also and have a direct straight connect..
didn't realize the pump wasn't threaded and had to use a ring clamp (i spent a crap ton of
money on bitspower compression fittings and in the end still ended up using a ring clamp..damn..lol)
i am already planning my next liquid cooled comp and doing a case mod with it..should be nice..
gonna spice things up a bit with some temp. controlled colour changing paint on my tubing etc..
so when it gets hot it changes colour..
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Weren't your NB temps fine before hand though? 55C sounds fine to me, it's far from being damaged anyway.

Sure I understand you're not watercooling just for the temps but there are better ways you could have spent the money if performance is what you wanted to gain from watercooling.

I've agreed with you on many things but your loop being more compatible than a heatsink? I got a Prolimatech cooler for a rig and they sent me 2011 mounts free without me even asking, that's compatibility.
Also pays for it's self in the long run, how exactly? Even if a heatsink is no longer compatible with a socket, for the price of your loop, you could buy multiple heatsinks.

I like Yates, they're good if you're on a budget, sure but if you're building an expensive loop, surely you could get something a little high quality.

But I like Yates. The price/performance index makes them sheer Win! imho. No heatsink would have fixed the NB issues. Before I did the NB fix, NB consistently hit 57-59c. Max temp before board shuts down is 60-63c.

Did the NB fix and averaged 48c @ GPU idle. On a hot day (summer temps) I've seen this thing creep up to the ragged edge. So peace of mind since I was running H50 anyway with one year left on the warranty decided it was time to jump in with both feet.

Also as I point out, regardless of what I upgrade to I'm set. The only piece that won't upgrade with the system is the NB block. I got it used with low mileage on it. All this water cooling wasn't done just for shiggles either. I plan to make another assault on 4Ghz for 24/7 stability. Having my CPU running at a cooler temp should aid in that endeavor and that of any CPU that replaces it. With my choice of block, I can make the seamless change to Intel if I wish to go that direction as well.

I guess I just don't see the point of rationalizing my choice to spend money on good hardware to go with Yate Loons. If they break I can buy new ones and not feel bad about it and in the end it leaves more money for me to upgrade my components as the budget allows. Yeah this was a lot of money but not everything is purely about money. They perform well they do what I want of them, I don't have the issues that other people seem to have and they fit my budget quite well. Other than the odd and end(i.e. GPU/ Pump, tubing etc) water cooling component I'm done with this loop thumb.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
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Hey i was wondering where does everyone get their
liquid cooling products from..
so far i've been getting them from DazMode (i live in Canada cheaper delivery costs)
I have also seen Xoxide have some pretty cool stuff..
anyone else know of some places i can get liquid cooling stuff from?
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Hey i was wondering where does everyone get their
liquid cooling products from..
so far i've been getting them from DazMode (i live in Canada cheaper delivery costs)
I have also seen Xoxide have some pretty cool stuff..
anyone else know of some places i can get liquid cooling stuff from?

Performance-PCs
FrozenCPU
Jabtech
Sidewinder
Xoxide
AquaComputer
Ebay
Amazon

And for you Canucks NCIX and Daz Mode. smile.gif

I'm sure I've left a few out but I think this pretty much covers it. thumb.gif

Oh yes cannot forget OCN Marketplace where I scored my Radiator and FC block. redface.gif

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Hey i was wondering where does everyone get their
liquid cooling products from..
so far i've been getting them from DazMode (i live in Canada cheaper delivery costs)
I have also seen Xoxide have some pretty cool stuff..
anyone else know of some places i can get liquid cooling stuff from?

FrozenCPU ships to Canada I believe. Performance-PCs might too. Aquatuning. Some others?



Anyways, why is there a fan argument in the liquid cooling club/gallery? Take it to a separate thread. You're cluttering this one up for no reason over something that doesn't matter.

"OMGZ YATE LOONZ AREN'T AMAZING!" "OMGZ THEY AREZ" "NO" "YES" etc. Its not going to end with either side admitting a single thing. Yate Loons are cheap, they do fine. Typhoons are relatively expensive, they do exceptionally well. Its pretty simple facts. If you have the cash to sink further on your setup on nice fans, go for it, they're worth it. If you've stretched your budget really far (i.e. Ceadderman or myself), you don't have any interest in paying double for your fans. I bought NZXT FN120 fans that perform perfectly well for me, $6 each, shipped. I have 10x 120 and 3x 140. ($60 vs $160 seems like an immediate reason).
     
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Cool thanks everyone..i've have to check out some of those stores.
def. have not heard of some..but i am relatively new to the
liquid cooling and OC game..

gotta alot to teach but even more to learn.
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