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nope...tried both push and pull. ended up using pull just because it is easier to clean the rads.

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Apologies for bringing this up 3 pages late but regarding flushing with Tap Water issue...

I see no reason to even contemplate using Tap Water to flush anything in a water cooling loop.

Here are my reasons.

1) The price of Distilled is cheap enough to make it the preferred solution. Especially for those who have to pay for their water usage or even if you're on a Well.

2) If you have Hard Water it can do some nasty things to the flow chambers of the Radiator. Including cause blockage(s) due to mineral/calcification deposits.

3) Vinegar(if you do Vinegar flush which I wholly recommend) is mixed with Distilled to approximately 5% acidity +/- a percent or so. The information is on the jug.

4) Unreliable PSI information regarding water pressure. Are you on a pressure booster? Many apartment complexes run a booster due to low pressure at the main.

IMHO, I think that it's mostly impatience that leads to using tap water to flush a Radiator. Can you? Sure. Should you? I would say that the choice is up to you but if you put much money into your loop, why in gods name would you cheap out with the most important step in the process? If you have to RMA your Radiator for any reason at all I think that it's better to be able to state with conviction that no tap water ever came in contact with it than cheap out and have to lie/fib/omit about it later.

$4 for 4 Gallons that should be more than sufficient to flush your new friend, as well as to have a supply of Distilled on hand in case you need to drain the loop for an unforeseen issue that crops its ugly little head when you least expect it. I had 5 on hand when I did my Vinegar and 50/50, Distilled flush and I was glad I had it cause my Res had leaks in it after I separated it to clean out Lime deposits from the Tap Rinse it got before I ever had it. Bro was doin me a favor and meant well (used Red Dye) so I won't condemn for it. Just wish he'd used Distilled. I got the Res cleaned up and you can't even tell that there was ever a Lime deposit in it, but if Tap water does that to plastic then I can't recommend a Tap Water flush. I don't care how hot the water is, it still has to travel through the Water Heater. Ever pull the element to a water heater? If it's old it's not a pretty site. Just say no to Tap Water. Friends don't let friends Tap Flush and Liquid Cool. mellowsmiley.gif

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Getting back to the flushing rad thing.....I've flushed 3 XSPC rads so far and each one had debris.
On using any bottle water vs tap: Some bottled water is only barely better than tap water, depending on where your tap water comes from. Municipal water gets treated chemically but not necessarily filtered to an extreme; it varies greatly but should generally be better than well water, but then those pipes that carry it to you can contain gook.........
DON'T USE SOMETHING LIKE DASANI if you're super paranoid about mineral content! It has been run through an RO system but minerals are added back. I know for a fact.

Well water is most likely to contain high mineral content, but it's in the form of dissolved solids and even a 1 micron filter will NOT remove all of it. An RO system could remove all, or almost all.

On using distilled 100% vs tap then rinsing with distilled: As a general statement, unless your water contains particulates it's unlikely the dissolved solids in the water are going to add any appreciable amount of matter, if you are not literally running tap water through for days. But if the water is SO "hard" that buildup accumulates then flushing with distilled will likely do nothing.
Especially bad would be people that have high iron content in the water, I wouldn't flush with it at all if I didn't have to.

So, yeah, 100% distilled and/or vinegar would probably be best. But I flushed about 1/2 hour with my well water after a hot vinegar douche then followed with distilled. :shrug:

I worked in the water bottling industry for Coke as a Lab Tech for 8 years before I retired, I tested water every day both physically and biologically. My opinion is getting the debris out left over from the manufacturing process is probably most important. But if you know you have really crappy well water then just don't use it.

There are always exceptions, but I tried to lay it out as I see it. YMMV.
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What is the process for using distilled? Just pour it into the rad and shake it, then empty and repeat?
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Apologies for bringing this up 3 pages late but regarding flushing with Tap Water issue...

I see no reason to even contemplate using Tap Water to flush anything in a water cooling loop.

Here are my reasons.

1) The price of Distilled is cheap enough to make it the preferred solution. Especially for those who have to pay for their water usage or even if you're on a Well.

2) If you have Hard Water it can do some nasty things to the flow chambers of the Radiator. Including cause blockage(s) due to mineral/calcification deposits.

3) Vinegar(if you do Vinegar flush which I wholly recommend) is mixed with Distilled to approximately 5% acidity +/- a percent or so. The information is on the jug.

4) Unreliable PSI information regarding water pressure. Are you on a pressure booster? Many apartment complexes run a booster due to low pressure at the main.



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1. It has nothing to do with price
2. If this ever happened from 15 mins of rinsing, then that water you have is not even safe to drink or to use for food.
3. Correct, but I'm not sure what you are getting at. Vinegar will conduct electricity, but poorly.
4. The reason I connect my rad to the facet is because you can flush it under pressure. Just poring distilled and shaking can just move the heave particles farther back in to the rad making it harder to get them out. As for over pressuring the rad, this is why I just use tape and not a barb connection to attach it to the sink, the tape will give before the rad.

If you are worried that you might be adding minerals to the distilled from using tap water, this is why I use one gallon for my final rinse to dilute anything left in the rad and why it is my first step. If you are worried about bio contamination, use a kill coil or a biocide, guessing you already do.

BTW Martin flushes with tap water, this is where I got it from.
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2011/02/26/flushing-your-block-rads-clean/
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1. It has nothing to do with price
2. If this ever happened from 15 mins of rinsing, then that water you have is not even safe to drink or to use for food.
3. Correct, but I'm not sure what you are getting at. Vinegar will conduct electricity, but poorly.
4. The reason I connect my rad to the facet is because you can flush it under pressure. Just poring distilled and shaking can just move the heave particles farther back in to the rad making it harder to get them out. As for over pressuring the rad, this is why I just use tape and not a barb connection to attach it to the sink, the tape will give before the rad.
If you are worried that you might be adding minerals to the distilled from using tap water, this is why I use one gallon for my final rinse to dilute anything left in the rad and why it is my first step. If you are worried about bio contamination, use a kill coil or a biocide, guessing you already do.
BTW Martin flushes with tap water, this is where I got it from.
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2011/02/26/flushing-your-block-rads-clean/

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I would be more worried about putting vinegar in a rad TBH.....
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I'm talking about just to flush the rads. I don't even have all my parts in yet so I figured this was something I could go ahead and take care of while I'm waiting. I'm also going to be using Mayhems premix coolant in my rig whenever I get it all put together...

I ended up doing the same thing. I assembled my loop configuration inside my case first, then on a later date as I came closer to finishing the project, I disassembled it and rinsed my rads and blocks out. That was a month ago, and I used boiling vinegar and distilled water for the flush.
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