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I dont think the options that the Intel block has,chrome hold downs etc,are available right now. Cant see them being far behind tho...

i've personally talked to xspc - they dont have any plans whatsoever of developing anymore amd based products. it's really lame hearing it but from a business perspective it makes sense i guess. im sure amd makes sufficient sales but they're budget build components, not enthusiast components, and watercooling is definitely an enthusiast thing to do.

already having the am3+ bracket for my raystorm, i was thinking on buying the chrome edition and just using the black bracket with it, figured it'd give it a nice two-tone look and it'd go with my build theme anyway.
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i've personally talked to xspc - they dont have any plans whatsoever of developing anymore amd based products. it's really lame hearing it but from a business perspective it makes sense i guess. im sure amd makes sufficient sales but they're budget build components, not enthusiast components, and watercooling is definitely an enthusiast thing to do.
already having the am3+ bracket for my raystorm, i was thinking on buying the chrome edition and just using the black bracket with it, figured it'd give it a nice two-tone look and it'd go with my build theme anyway.

If Vishera proves to be the chip that pulls AMD back to the land of competition,that may change. XSPC,like most companies,wont miss a business market if its there.
They just cant develop for a market that isnt there,there is precious little margin for having blocks sit on the shelves.
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Speaking of blocks, I know it has been asked before, but... I plan to water-cool an AM3+ socket. What are my options? (links are welcome)

Pretty much every block out there has an AMD equivalent....

AM2,AM3,AM3+,FM1.....these all use the same mounting points,what fits one will fit all...another great reason to go AMD.


As mentioned above,the XSPC Raystorm is one of the best around and looks good in the AMD mounting.



I dont think the options that the Intel block has,chrome hold downs etc,are available right now. Cant see them being far behind tho...

Sadly unless AMD pulls their head out of their collective posterior this is my last AMD build. Other than FM1 based builds I can't in good conscience recommend AMD to anyone. More and more companies will start to opt out of making components for AMD so long as they ignore Enthusiasts. With two successive failures in a row(Bulldozer and now Piledriver) they won't be getting any more of my Enthusiast dollars. It makes no sense for me to even consider an AM3+ board and I'm glad I stayed with my CIVF instead of selling it and spending more on a dead end upgrade. So while they're awesome for platform to platform mounting capability there isn't much reason to stay with AMD atm. Unless something miraculous happens between now and when I'm ready to move on, I'm done with AMD. mellowsmiley.gif

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I dont think the options that the Intel block has,chrome hold downs etc,are available right now. Cant see them being far behind tho...

i've personally talked to xspc - they dont have any plans whatsoever of developing anymore amd based products. it's really lame hearing it but from a business perspective it makes sense i guess. im sure amd makes sufficient sales but they're budget build components, not enthusiast components, and watercooling is definitely an enthusiast thing to do.

already having the am3+ bracket for my raystorm, i was thinking on buying the chrome edition and just using the black bracket with it, figured it'd give it a nice two-tone look and it'd go with my build theme anyway.

They shouldn't plan for an AMD mount any further. AM3 and AM3+ will take the same mount so it makes little sense for them to preplan a new mount when not even AMD knows what they intend to do.

I was glad they bought ATi out but I think they've spread themselves too thin taking on two major competitors in different systems markets. It shouldn't be this hard but apparently it is. Of course it doesn't help that NVidia will always make backroom deals with Developers to stay on top. We all know it's happening, but they do it under the guise of "working hand in hand with the development teams" when in reality that's probably a third of what gives them the edge. AMD is at least leveling the playing field by putting out solid drivers which is something that ATi rarely if ever did.

Now if only AMD's driver development team could rub off on their RnD team and get them half a brain to develop new technology to keep Intel on their toes we'd all be much better off. Cause otherwise AMD will only be competitive in 2 CPU markets and neither of them have a bloody thing to do with the Enthusiast market. 2cents.gif

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Sadly unless AMD pulls their head out of their collective posterior this is my last AMD build. Other than FM1 based builds I can't in good conscience recommend AMD to anyone. More and more companies will start to opt out of making components for AMD so long as they ignore Enthusiasts. With two successive failures in a row(Bulldozer and now Piledriver) they won't be getting any more of my Enthusiast dollars. It makes no sense for me to even consider an AM3+ board and I'm glad I stayed with my CIVF instead of selling it and spending more on a dead end upgrade. So while they're awesome for platform to platform mounting capability there isn't much reason to stay with AMD atm. Unless something miraculous happens between now and when I'm ready to move on, I'm done with AMD. mellowsmiley.gif
They shouldn't plan for an AMD mount any further. AM3 and AM3+ will take the same mount so it makes little sense for them to preplan a new mount when not even AMD knows what they intend to do.
I was glad they bought ATi out but I think they've spread themselves too thin taking on two major competitors in different systems markets. It shouldn't be this hard but apparently it is. Of course it doesn't help that NVidia will always make backroom deals with Developers to stay on top. We all know it's happening, but they do it under the guise of "working hand in hand with the development teams" when in reality that's probably a third of what gives them the edge. AMD is at least leveling the playing field by putting out solid drivers which is something that ATi rarely if ever did.
Now if only AMD's driver development team could rub off on their RnD team and get them half a brain to develop new technology to keep Intel on their toes we'd all be much better off. Cause otherwise AMD will only be competitive in 2 CPU markets and neither of them have a bloody thing to do with the Enthusiast market. 2cents.gif
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Speaking of blocks, I know it has been asked before, but... I plan to water-cool an AM3+ socket. What are my options? (links are welcome)

My FX-8120 runs super cool @4.0 while folding 24/7. This is the block I use: http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-OCZTHYDF-HydroFlow-Waterblock/dp/B001HZSGQW

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Sadly unless AMD pulls their head out of their collective posterior this is my last AMD build. Other than FM1 based builds I can't in good conscience recommend AMD to anyone. More and more companies will start to opt out of making components for AMD so long as they ignore Enthusiasts. With two successive failures in a row(Bulldozer and now Piledriver) they won't be getting any more of my Enthusiast dollars. It makes no sense for me to even consider an AM3+ board and I'm glad I stayed with my CIVF instead of selling it and spending more on a dead end upgrade. So while they're awesome for platform to platform mounting capability there isn't much reason to stay with AMD atm. Unless something miraculous happens between now and when I'm ready to move on, I'm done with AMD. mellowsmiley.gif
They shouldn't plan for an AMD mount any further. AM3 and AM3+ will take the same mount so it makes little sense for them to preplan a new mount when not even AMD knows what they intend to do.
I was glad they bought ATi out but I think they've spread themselves too thin taking on two major competitors in different systems markets. It shouldn't be this hard but apparently it is. Of course it doesn't help that NVidia will always make backroom deals with Developers to stay on top. We all know it's happening, but they do it under the guise of "working hand in hand with the development teams" when in reality that's probably a third of what gives them the edge. AMD is at least leveling the playing field by putting out solid drivers which is something that ATi rarely if ever did.
Now if only AMD's driver development team could rub off on their RnD team and get them half a brain to develop new technology to keep Intel on their toes we'd all be much better off. Cause otherwise AMD will only be competitive in 2 CPU markets and neither of them have a bloody thing to do with the Enthusiast market. 2cents.gif
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How is trading blows with IB i7's a fail?
For a lower price point as well?

Check out TTLs' review of FX-8350

It's over a half hour Tom was gobsmacked but not at a loss for words... much. wink.gif

It had a hard time keeping up with i5s'. AM3/AM3+ socket is dead when we are on Thubbie and only have that to look forward to. mellowsmiley.gif

I'm a confirmed AMD fan. It p!$$e$ me off that I'm probably gonna be going Intel for my next build. I sure don't mind running Intel but I don't like supporting them when they've made being an Enthusiast so difficult for the masses for so long. But I can't stand up for AMD when they obviously failed, not once but twice. I want to, I do. I just can't. frown.gif

I do have experience with Bulldozer and Tom is not lying when he mentions their heat issues. I had to RMA FX-8120 before I could get that system out to a client. It's a good thing my clients are generally patient cause that build took 3 weeks from order to completion before it was ready to deliver. I'd never had a system take that long to build except when mine was down for sleeving. doh.gif

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@ceaddar: Uuh... Piledriver is actually better than Phenom II X6 in many places, not sure why they failed there. Bulldozer was a fail imho, but Piledriver is promizing. And "heat issues"... I don't see how generating as much heat as Intel currently does is an issue. Performance at a price.

@CPU blocks: They don't look like AMD Fan mountings... O_o I guess I was expecting something different since the H80 comes with a classic Fan mounting.
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Piledriver's heat issues are none existent. i had an 8150 overclocked to 4.95ghz daily before i got my 8350, and now that its at 5.19ghz daily, it's a clear 10 degrees cooler - same loop and everything. im even giving piledriver more voltage as well. my 8150 had that oc at 1.48v and my 8350 has the oc at 1.53v.

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^^^ I don't know what you're talkin bout life, but that's right dead secsy bro. thumb.gif
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@ceaddar: Uuh... Piledriver is actually better than Phenom II X6 in many places, not sure why they failed there. Bulldozer was a fail imho, but Piledriver is promizing. And "heat issues"... I don't see how generating as much heat as Intel currently does is an issue. Performance at a price.

@CPU blocks: They don't look like AMD Fan mountings... O_o I guess I was expecting something different since the H80 comes with a classic Fan mounting.

You have to read his review for the bulk of the information. The video is basically a synopsis of what he went through while working with the CPU. It could be that he got a bad chip. But I don't believe that he did because I saw several times where 8350 held it's own reasonably well against 8150 and 1090T. So it's better than previous AMD sure. But like Tom, I cannot recommend putting together and entirely brand new build with that CPU. if you've already cashed in yur nickels to buy an AM3+ board and you're running a mediocre CPU then by all means make the splurge on the 8350. It's a solid upgrade over the lower end Phenom II chips that are compatible with AM3+. But I'm on AM3 and while I could probably buy that CPU it's not that much of a performance boost over my 1100T. So yeah it's a failure. I can't recommend against it enough if you're looking to build a brand new system. Dollar for dollar you're better off going with Sandy Bridge and upgrading the chip when you have the means to do so. Is it more expensive? Yeah it is. But it also out performs BD and PD. So why fight it?

As I said, when I'm ready to build a new system it'll be Intel unless AMD has decided to fix the problem. I don't hate AMD, I love AMD. I just don't like how they screwed their own consumers by telling everybody to launch their boards and it takes them 6 months to launch the chips. Especially if what Tom says is true, that they didn't really do anything with the chips between their initial launch day to their actual launch day. It really ticked off a lot of consumers with that bit of fail logic. wink.gif

Anyway I'm not trying to start a flame war and you're entitled to your own opinions on FX-8*** chips but this is mine and I'm saddened by the latest reviews. I wanted Piledriver to bounce back strong for AMD. frown.gif

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ASUS DRW-24B1ST  Swiftech 6950/6870 GPU Heatsink Swiftech 6950/6870 GPU Heatsink Monsoon 1/2"x5/8" PETG White Hardline tubing. 
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Well yeah, if I had 1500$ to burn i'd be building a completely new system with Intel's latest CPU. However I get 900 apples per month which means I can barely spend more than 100$ per month on non-essential stuff. And since my current motherboard is dying, It has to be AMD. (because I already own a 1055T). I'm actually happy I don't have to buy the bulldozer already, and I plan getting the FX-8350 and probably the Steamroller if it justifies the improvement. However, There's no need to convince me that Intel currently wins the market, I already know that. It wins it a bit too much, imho. I yet have to see a CPU block that has AMD mountings (All I see is pictures of Intel quad-screw! ARRrggg!!!)

P.S. I read one Piledriver review, and I'm reading a second one right now. I'd never base my opinion on a single review.
Edited by Tarnix - 10/25/12 at 4:48am
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